Dodgers didn`t give Maeda extra innings not because they wanted to save $, it`s  because 3x aroung the batting order Maeda is terrible. LA figures if we are stupid enough to think Maeda is good enough for extra innings they don`t have to deal w/ his grievance. They should settle for much less so they don`t have to deal w/ that, actually I wouldn`t want  the Twins to have to deal w/ that

Smeltzer, Dobnak, Thorpe, Chacin, plus Graterol, plus another 10-20 prospect, suddenly doesn't look so bad to me. 

 

May be a case of the best trades are those you don't make.

I guess we are going to disagree on that Chief. Or maybe we disagree on the definition of starters.

 

I see them have up to seven starters on opening day, Berrios, Odorizzi, Bailey, Thorpe, Dobnak, Smeltzer and Chacin. Now I don't anticipate that all of them are going to be worthy starters, but believe five will. Then you add Pineda a six weeks later and if Hill comes back in summer, you should have at least seven...without adding Maeda.

 

So yes, I suspect that we will have too many starters after both Pineda and Hill return. Either someone will have to go or there will be no space for any of the rookies. And that would be a shame, in my opinion, as at least one of them is going to have earned the right to pitch every fifth day and it wouldn't surprise me if two do.

Well I hope you're right, because "too many starters" doesnt seem to me a problem that cant be worked around.

Well I hope you're right, because "too many starters" doesnt seem to me a problem that cant be worked around.

I concur. I mean haven’t we always heard you can never have too many? Injuries happen. Suspensions happen. Trades happen. Stuff happens. I think we may be okay, for now, but I don’t think we have too many.

 

Well I hope you're right, because "too many starters" doesnt seem to me a problem that cant be worked around.

Can certainly agree that too many starters is a good problem to have.  My hope is that whatever happens, they can find innings for any of those three rookies that deserve them. 

 

Expect that at least one of Thorpe, Dobnak, and Smeltzer is going to be needed in their starting rotation come 2021 and beyond.  And should they be blessed with good health, certainly should give them the opportunity to flip one of the rentals come July.

 

I guess we are going to disagree on that Chief.  Or maybe we disagree on the definition of starters.

 

I see them have up to seven starters on opening day, Berrios, Odorizzi, Bailey, Thorpe, Dobnak, Smeltzer and Chacin.  Now I don't anticipate that all of them are going to be worthy starters, but believe five will.  Then you add Pineda a six weeks later and if Hill comes back in summer, you should have at least seven...without adding Maeda. 

 

So yes, I suspect that we will have too many starters after both Pineda and Hill return.  Either someone will have to go or there will be no space for any of the rookies.  And that would be a shame, in my opinion, as at least one of them is going to have earned the right to pitch every fifth day and it wouldn't surprise me if two do.

I don't care how many starters we have if we can get one better than everyone except our best one or two....or even three. The objective isn't to have a lot of starters, the objective is to have good ones. It all comes down to cost of doing that...and that's why this is taking so long...or may not happen at all.

 

I'd put the chances we have too many starters, at any point this season, at roughly zero.

I would put it as unlikely.    You're not going to have 7 starting pitchers pitching well because you are not going to have 7 starting pitchers in a rotation.    I could imagine Berrios, Odo, Maeda?, Bailey and Dobnak pitching well when Pineda and HIll are ready to come back, or at least well enough that it would be a little bit of a shame for them to lose a spot.    At the same time I could imagine, Thorpe and Smeltzer pitching well in the minors and being blocked.    Like I said unlikely.   I know it has happened before though not in a decade for sure.    Thinking it was 2008 when Liriano started out the season horribly and went to the minors after a few games to get his act together.    Hernandez was good to start the season and was starting to falter while Liriano was doing great in the minors.     Everyone wanted Liriano back up but Livan just had two out of three quality starts.    They gave him two more starts where he wasn't great and then brought up Liriano.    I often wondered if Livan had sucked 5 games earlier, Liriano would have been brought up and maybe we win an extra game or two and game 163 doesn't become necessary.    Would have given us one more shot at playoff success and a better one since it was the Rays and not the Yankees we would have played.   Anyway, on the small chance we have everyone pitching well that is a good thing, not really a problem.

 

MLB Trade Rumors now reporting that the Dodgers/ Twins part of the deal is set with Graterol going to LA and the Twins getting Maeda and "slightly more". Stay tuned.

Indeed should be. As doctorgast stated above, Maeda isn't worth Graterol straight up. 

Looks as though an off field incident has halted this thing. Graterol screwed up with a camera, He left the workout room in tears yesterday after Rocco went in after being with Falvey.

I am suspicious this cryptic message is accurate and Graterol isn’t going to pitch for the Twins again. Seems like it may be hard to keep him after “trading” him.

Indeed should be. As doctorgast stated above, Maeda isn't worth Graterol straight up.

LaVelle’s post make it sound like the deal to the Dodgers would be Graterol plus another prospect, with LA throwing in someone minor. So don’t get your hopes up.

LaVelle’s post make it sound like the deal to the Dodgers would be Graterol plus another prospect, with LA throwing in someone minor. So don’t get your hopes up.

If that’s the case, the Twins just need to end this and go sign Walker. Besides, plenty of more pitching will be available by the deadline so I wouldn’t be so concerned about making a deal right now as if it’s an absolute necessity.

 

LaVelle’s post make it sound like the deal to the Dodgers would be Graterol plus another prospect, with LA throwing in someone minor. So don’t get your hopes up.

In reading up on this a bit it would appear as if we are giving up more. Which would mean that in this muddle the big boys did indeed get Falvine to cave in to the pressure. They should have moved on. Maeda is not that good. Not Graterol good and not Graterol plus more good. 

 

 If you're going to play with the sharks Falvey you better learn to swim.

 

I think Graterol alone is already more than fair.
I don't like adding another prospect, even a token one, when the deal is already more than fair. It sets a bad precedent for future trades.

I don't like it, either, but it's fair movement when the other team starts waffling.

 

What the Red Sox are asking for is outrageous, on the other hand.

In reading up on this a bit it would appear as if we are giving up more. Which would mean that in this muddle the big boys did indeed get Falvine to cave in to the pressure. They should have moved on. Maeda is not that good. Not Graterol good and not Graterol plus more good. 

 

 If you're going to play with the sharks Falvey you better learn to swim.

Maeda for Graterol straight up was a steal for the Twins, let’s wait and see what the rest of the deal looks like.

Also, the Angels part of the deal appeared to be headlined by a weak-bat utility infielder. While they have less control, the Twins have two utility infielders with decent bats. If the Angels get cut out, maybe Adrianza or Gonzalez get involved in the deal somehow.

 

Or maybe Maeda and Peterson come over with Graterol and Rosario leaving, and Rosario extra year of control being the additional equity the Twins needed to chip in.

 

I love it when everyone has a different answer to whether with Twins are still in the deal or not.

Until there has been a contract signed with a meeting of the minds, there is no deal. There never has been a deal in this scenario. 

 

If the Twins really want Maeda, their offer of Graterol plus someone in the 15-20 range is fair. Why Boston hasn't just accepted it is beyond me because it's so painfully obvious they will NOT get Graterol plus another top ten prospect. That's just silly.

 

Step off the ledge, Bloom. Just take the deal already. You're not going to look better the longer you string this along.

15-20 range. Is there a boom or bust low level prospect there?

 

The Dodgers could give more and still come away fine, but I could see the trade restructured so the Twins both give up and get more.

This is an example of a face saving compromise for both the Twins and the Red Sox. I like this suggestion.

 

Looks as though an off field incident has halted this thing.  Graterol screwed up with a camera,  He left the workout room in tears yesterday after Rocco went in after being with Falvey.

I'd like to have been a fly on that wall.

 

If that’s the case, the Twins just need to end this and go sign Walker. Besides, plenty of more pitching will be available by the deadline so I wouldn’t be so concerned about making a deal right now as if it’s an absolute necessity.

You don't get guys signed for 4 years to team-friendly contracts at the trade deadline. This isn't about 2020.

When Walker worked out for teams last week his fastball was aroung 88.  Keep working on the Maeda trade.

Maeda and cash for Graterol and another prospect

Can't wait to see who the other prospect is.

You don't get guys signed for 4 years to team-friendly contracts at the trade deadline. This isn't about 2020.

What about Archer then? He may not have 4 years of control, but he’s making $9M in 2020 and could make $11M in 2021 if his option is picked up which is right around the amount that Maeda would make if he maxes out on the incentives in his contract. It may be a slight risk due to his recent struggles, but paying the same price for a potential #1-2 starter does interest me quite a bit more than Maeda.

Can't wait to see who the other prospect is.

I heard it's Royce Lewis!

Dodgers get: Graterol + draft pick

Twins get: Maeda + $10mil

 

15-20 range. Is there a boom or bust low level prospect there?

There always are in a farm system this deep in middling talent. I'm sure there are guys in that range that Falvine don't particularly care for and wouldn't lose any sleep over if they were traded.

 

Dodgers get: Graterol + draft pick
Twins get: Maeda + $10mil

Any word on what draft pick?

https://twitter.com/AaronGleeman/status/1226645251986620416

Pretty hard to complain about that deal and it just makes Bloom look even worse because if the Dodgers were willing to take on Graterol, his arm isn't likely to fall off tomorrow (any more than any other pitching prospect, anyway).