Article: Trade Deadline Thread: The Rumor Mill is Working Overtime

[Brock Beauchamp]

You have to give up something to get a good starting pitcher. The Twins offense is among the best but without pitching they will be one and done if they even make the postseason. The window for postseason opportunities are usually pretty small as far as the Twins are concerned. I see the Twins squandering this opportunity, and why not, attendance is up no need to take risks at this time.

The Twins have been involved in more rumors than I’ve ever seen before and everyone good not named Stroman is still on board (which is weird in itself, really). I’d be shocked if we don’t see one more good relief arm come to the team.

 

As for the postseason, the Twins are close to a lock. They’re five games up on the second WC and have literally the easiest schedule in baseball through the end of the season.

 

But without another good arm, they could easily end up in that WC game, which would be a pretty big failure in itself.

[Brock Beauchamp]

We’re 48 hours from the deadline and Stroman is the only big name to move.

 

Can anyone remember a deadline coming together this slowly?

[nicksaviking]

 

As for the postseason, the Twins are close to a lock. They’re five games up on the second WC and have literally the easiest schedule in baseball through the end of the season.
 

 

Uh....please remove this post before the karma police find it.

[Vanimal46]

We’re 48 hours from the deadline and Stroman is the only big name to move.

 

Can anyone remember a deadline coming together this slowly?

This one hard deadline sucks. Let's move it back to August 30th if it's that difficult to know whether you're a buyer or seller 60% of the way through a season.

[Brock Beauchamp]

This one hard deadline sucks. Let's move it back to August 30th if it's that difficult to know whether you're a buyer or seller 60% of the way through a season.

I think it’s just an odd year, especially with the Mets being crazy and San Diego considering getting in on the fun, too.

[Puckett34]

 

This one hard deadline sucks. Let's move it back to August 30th if it's that difficult to know whether you're a buyer or seller 60% of the way through a season.

Or meet it in the middle. August 15th deadline

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

The Twins don't just need pitching this year. Losing two of your top three pitching prospects, who both have the potential to be better than Ray and cost controlled for six years, is a steep price. I wouldn't pay that for 1.5 years of much more expensive pitching. I don't think a few starts in the playoffs by Ray instead of Pineda is worth losing the potential for sustained success. Young pitchers with high-end upside are very hard to find. If the Twins' window is going to be extended past next year, it's going to take several of those young pitchers panning out. Neither is a sure thing but you've got to have some dice to roll and those guys have a realistic chance to be 40% of a playoff rotation.

 

The problem with this is that those guys likely not the ground running when they hit MLB. You've got to factor that development time in as well. I think you probably keep the best the option there, but I could definitely see them moving one of our top 3 pitching prospects for help that will be here longer than this year. Sure... you don't move them all, but for the right guy, you move one. 

[cballhitball]

I think if you put Migual Sano as part of a deal you land an ace.  Sano, Martin Perez and Nick Gordon.  Whatya get for that...

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

This is going to be a silly post, but my Twins ticket representative Dave, said the Twins are not getting Noah Syndegaard. Shouldn't probably even mention it. Not sure if he was serious or just joking around because i said I wasn't going to add any more ticket plans unless the Twins traded for Noah Syndegaard(I was also not serious). It is almost like how as a ticket representative do you know they are not getting Syndegaard.

My two cent's my speculation after the laughing ended, is I don't think the Met's will back down on the ask for Syndegaard from the Twins in wanting both Royce Lewis and Alex Kirloff. Hopefully we get Minor from Texas or Ray from Arizona, would really like to see the Twins add a lefty from outside the organization and move Perez as the additional lefty in the bullpen. 

 

Did I miss a report that said they wanted them both? I remember seeing something about one of them headlining a deal... but not both.

[nicksaviking]

 

This is going to be a silly post, but my Twins ticket representative Dave, said the Twins are not getting Noah Syndegaard. Shouldn't probably even mention it. Not sure if he was serious or just joking around because i said I wasn't going to add any more ticket plans unless the Twins traded for Noah Syndegaard(I was also not serious). It is almost like how as a ticket representative do you know they are not getting Syndegaard.

My two cent's my speculation after the laughing ended, is I don't think the Met's will back down on the ask for Syndegaard from the Twins in wanting both Royce Lewis and Alex Kirloff. Hopefully we get Minor from Texas or Ray from Arizona, would really like to see the Twins add a lefty from outside the organization and move Perez as the additional lefty in the bullpen. 

 

My guess is Dave has less intel on the subject than everyone on this board, unless he follows this site, MLBTR, the beat writers and national pundits, in which case he only has exactly as much intel on the subject as the rest of us.

 

My further guess is that statistically speaking the odds that he is right are high, which is probably why he feels safe making such grand declarations.

[nicksaviking]

 

Did I miss a report that said they wanted them both? I remember seeing something about one of them headlining a deal... but not both.

 

I read that one as well, but of course that's what they'd ask for. I'm sure they also asked for every team's top two prospects, or a young stud arm that's already up.

[twinsfanstreif]

What if the Mets squires Stroman because the price was so low and they could flip him for better prospects in a few days? We did that a few years ago with Garcia

[Tom Froemming]

 

I think if you put Migual Sano as part of a deal you land an ace.  Sano, Martin Perez and Nick Gordon.  Whatya get for that...

Not an ace, maybe not even an MLB player. Most teams trade established players for prospects, not other MLB players and guys in Triple A. 

 

But ... the Mets. So, you never know, I guess.

[LFRGary]

Personally, I'd rather get Edwin Diaz if I've got to give up Kiriloff. He's dominant & he's under control through 2022. Imagine him & Rogers at the back end of the bullpen the next 2-4 years.

[D.C Twins]

Tick Tock FO.....

 

Are we going to hoard assets to be a one (insert game or series) and out playoff team 3-4 times over the next 7-8 years or are we going to sacrifice some extended above average-ness for taking a WS shot!

 

Business answer is probably the former....Baseball fan answer is probably the latter. Will be fun to find out if money or desire for history wins out!

[DocBauer]

I would be uber focused on another RP and call it a day at this point.

 

I know a lot of people don't want to hear that, but not only is it the biggest need, but the market itself is showing teams are either not selling, or being crazy in their demands.

 

The Mets are just...IDK....the Mets. Despite looking like a dumpster fire losing team they have acquired the first big name viable arm on the market. Are they crazy like a fox with a plan nobody can see, or are they just crazy?

 

We can talk all day long about the Twins rotation. And we can point to successes and failures, highs and lows, etc. (Guys have good and bad streaks. Its a long season)! And I know playoff baseball can be different than the season. But tbe truth is the Twins not only have tbe best rotation they have had in YEARS, but they also have one of the deepest, most productive rotations available.

 

Pitching still wins games. But in this new era, we have also seen where a deep and quality pen can trump a rotation at times. This team needs a stud arm for the pen to go along with Rogers, Romo, and what we have on hand. The Twins still have 2 months to sort through their pen and make final decisions on who and what sticks for the playoffs. At least one SP will slide to the pen that happens. It also happens, later than I wished it would have happened, we have some arms who are starting to look ready.

[stringer bell]

Looking at MLB Trade Rumors a few minutes ago.....and nobody is moving yet. So far, I think the Twins move to get Romo is as big a move as anyone. There will be activity today (it's past midnight!) and tomorrow, I'm sure, but so far trades have been few and far between.

[Reider]

 

I think if you put Migual Sano as part of a deal you land an ace.  Sano, Martin Perez and Nick Gordon.  Whatya get for that...

Fired.

[beckmt]

Greinke has Twins on no trade list, but that was probably from when they looked bad, it may pay to checkout if his stance is willing to change and what it would take to get it to change.  If you pickup up all the money in the contract, prospect return might not be out of site, but 2 prospects in the 7 - 15 range.  That to me would be doable. 

[bunsen82]

I think the twins will look at any trade open to them.  Here is what I do know, they will not overpay, they will do deals that are beneficial to the overall organization, if there is a truce ace available at a reasonable cost they will do it.  However, this year, it just isn't.  I loved the deal for Sergio, gives us another reliable reliever, flips a bat that we would have struggled to keep or lost him or someone else to rule 5 eligibility, and was able to get a pitcher that is now one of our top 10 pitching prospects, plus a lotto ticket.  Yes we gave up Diaz but we have other bats above him, it was a good deal for both teams.  Ultimately based on the june article of the 40 man crunch for next year, I think we will see another trade or two, just to flip assets that we will no longer have control of at the end of this year.  Ultimately most should be happy. 

 

This is the start of a window for us, there is no reason to throw away assets unless you are fairly certain you can win it all.  This year, I am not sure even with an ace and another elite closer you can beat the astros if they also trade for players.  You also still have the Yankees and and Dodgers.  Even if we got those 2 players I would put the odds of the twins winning the title at 15%, in the current form I think the twins are maybe 5-7% chance of winning it all and with some additional relievers, pushing 10%.  There is no reason to blow our wad this year for minimally moving the needle.  In the next year or two, will be the years to strike is my guess, plus our prospects will be closer to mlb ready and ultimately more valuable if they can keep up their performances. 

Edited July 30, 2019 by bunsen82

[IndianaTwin]

 

Greinke has Twins on no trade list, but that was probably from when they looked bad, it may pay to checkout if his stance is willing to change and what it would take to get it to change.  If you pickup up all the money in the contract, prospect return might not be out of site, but 2 prospects in the 7 - 15 range.  That to me would be doable. 

 

Any team can come off Greinke's no-trade list at the right price for an extension. I'm not sure I'm interested in that price. 

[bird]

 

Greinke has Twins on no trade list, but that was probably from when they looked bad, it may pay to checkout if his stance is willing to change and what it would take to get it to change.  If you pickup up all the money in the contract, prospect return might not be out of site, but 2 prospects in the 7 - 15 range.  That to me would be doable. 

 

I'm guessing that call has been made. Would love it if this was in the works.

[ashbury]

I really doubt this. Stroman doesn't have any leverage in the matter.

He can throw tantrums. That's a form of leverage.

 

His reaction (resulting in a closed clubhouse) to being traded to the Mets instead of his beloved Yankees exemplifies why I didn't have huge interest in him, and might have played into why the Twins didn't go hard for him either; you look at the signings of guys like Cruz and Marwin and they seem to be good clubhouse guys. Whereas Stroman's had a certain reputation for a while now, even if the insiders don't speak openly.

 

After that long-toss toward the outfield the other day, Bauer's another guy I don't expect to see in a Twins uniform for similar reasons, though clearly that's become a discussion more for the off-season than this deadline.

[alarp33]

 

Greinke has Twins on no trade list, but that was probably from when they looked bad, it may pay to checkout if his stance is willing to change and what it would take to get it to change.  If you pickup up all the money in the contract, prospect return might not be out of site, but 2 prospects in the 7 - 15 range.  That to me would be doable. 

 

He also has the Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies on his no trade list. I don't think it's safe to assume he only put the Twins on there because he didn't think they are a contender

[Obsvr]

 

Tick Tock FO.....

 

Are we going to hoard assets to be a one (insert game or series) and out playoff team 3-4 times over the next 7-8 years or are we going to sacrifice some extended above average-ness for taking a WS shot!

 

 

 

Great teams win pennants but good teams can win the world series.

 

The point is that the playoffs will always be a crapshoot.  Your odds of winning it all increase greatly if your in the mix year after year.  A mid market team like the twins cannot and should not go all in on a particular year.  There are positions of strength they can and will deal from but at a certain point, the cost is just not worth it for some of the names that are available.  This FO has a short reputation of making prudent moves and I would think that will continue to remain true through this deadline.

 

That said, I'd certainly like to see them fortify the relief corp.  Greinke and a reliever or two would be a good get and wouldn't kill the bottom line.

 

 

 

 

[Brock Beauchamp]

So now we're 23 hours from the deadline and after a quick scan of MLBTR, still absolutely nothing of note.

 

Come on, this is boring...

[USAFChief]

 

So now we're 23 hours from the deadline and after a quick scan of MLBTR, still absolutely nothing of note.

 

Come on, this is boring...

HUH???

 

Blake Parker to Philly!

[FLTwinsGuy]

So now we're 23 hours from the deadline and after a quick scan of MLBTR, still absolutely nothing of note.

 

Come on, this is boring...

I hope im wrong but i feel like this is going to be an underwhelming deadline..Certainly not going out on a limb there!

[Vanimal46]

So now we're 23 hours from the deadline and after a quick scan of MLBTR, still absolutely nothing of note.

 

Come on, this is boring...

Be a baseball fan! Where teams don't sign free agents, don't make trades, and generally just want to be competitive... But not too competitive!

[SwainZag]

 

I hope im wrong but i feel like this is going to be an underwhelming deadline..Certainly not going out on a limb there!

 

I'm holding out for a flurry of deals in the last 8-10 hours but with NOTHING coming in, sure seems like it's going to be underwhelming.