Sounds like the Mets owners may veto a Syndergaard trade if the GM presents them with a return they deem insufficient.

 

Which, yeah, sounds about as backwards as expected with this bizarre hire.

Sounds like the Mets owners may veto a Syndergaard trade if the GM presents them with a return they deem insufficient.

 

Which, yeah, sounds about as backwards as expected with this bizarre hire.

Whew. I thought the Mets had normalized a bit because I hadn’t heard any bat**** crazy stories in a couple of weeks.

 

Good to know that things are still going strong over there.

 

Whew. I thought the Mets had normalized a bit because I hadn’t heard any bat**** crazy stories in a couple of weeks.

Good to know that things are still going strong over there.

I had assumed I had heard any bat**** crazy stories in a couple of weeks because I've been back in OK after nearly 3 weeks in CT, where I was within range of NY sports talk radio stations.  

Thor couldn’t be a more perfect fit for Minnesota. A guy nicknamed Thor belongs in Minnesota (the Scandinavian heritage runs deep). It’s a marketing dream. The amount of money the Pohlad’s could leverage from that could very make a steep salary worth it. Sort of similar to why they were willing to pay Mauer.

 

Besides all of that stuff, pairing Thor and Berrios with this offense takes this to a totally different level. Now we’re talking about legitimate World Series contender shortlist.

 

If we can get that deal and still be left with one of Lewis or Kirillof, along with Larnach and Graterol, I’d be over the moon.

 

Whew. I thought the Mets had normalized a bit because I hadn’t heard any bat**** crazy stories in a couple of weeks.

Good to know that things are still going strong over there.

 

The other story out there is the Mets don't want to trade with the Astros, a team they deem smarter than themselves analytically. So yeah, they are still the Mets

 

The other story out there is the Mets don't want to trade with the Astros, a team they deem smarter than themselves analytically. So yeah, they are still the Mets

That may be my favorite bit yet.

The other story out there is the Mets don't want to trade with the Astros, a team they deem smarter than themselves analytically. So yeah, they are still the Mets

Well, they're not wrong in that assumption!

The thought that came into my head the other day was that the Mets have a really strong young offensive core, a strong bullpen and two front of the rotation type arms, why would they sell when they should be contenders next year?

 

Now the thought that comes into my head is, I bet Syndergaard wants out of that flea circus and has said so behind the scenes.

 

The thought that came into my head the other day was that the Mets have a really strong young offensive core, a strong bullpen and two front of the rotation type arms, why would they sell when they should be contenders next year?

 

Now the thought that comes into my head is, I bet Syndergaard wants out of that flea circus and has said so behind the scenes.

 

The story is Wheeler is a free agent and would likely be walking if no move is made. So you could sign him to an extension now, and use the pieces from the Syndergaard trade to improve that core and still have Wheeler/DeGrom at top of rotation

 

If I remember right, a hot young pitching prospect named Kershaw was also possibly on the table. Perhaps that was bad reporting or I'm misremembering, but if he was, that's an awful miss.

I don't remember Kershaw being an option/rumor. He very well could have though. I do remember either of Lester and Ellsbury being the headliner from the Red Sox. But that's the only one I can recall. Don't remember what the Yankee package might have been

 

I don't remember Kershaw being an option/rumor. He very well could have though. I do remember either of Lester and Ellsbury being the headliner from the Red Sox. But that's the only one I can recall. Don't remember what the Yankee package might have been

 

Kershaw was part of the rumors, but I think most of the trade talk centered around Red Sox, Yankees, Mets. Not sure how much Dodgers really were involved. 

 

I think Phil Hughes was a big part of the Yankees talks. Seem to remember the Twins wanting Ellsbury and Lester but Sox not willing to offer both

 

The other story out there is the Mets don't want to trade with the Astros, a team they deem smarter than themselves analytically. So yeah, they are still the Mets

Using that logic, what teams can they trade with? Should be a short list. 

I don't remember Kershaw being an option/rumor. He very well could have though. I do remember either of Lester and Ellsbury being the headliner from the Red Sox. But that's the only one I can recall. Don't remember what the Yankee package might have been

I recall old friend Phil Hughes being offered from the Yankees. Don't remember the other people included in that package.

The thought that came into my head the other day was that the Mets have a really strong young offensive core, a strong bullpen and two front of the rotation type arms, why would they sell when they should be contenders next year?

 

The story is Wheeler is a free agent and would likely be walking if no move is made. So you could sign him to an extension now, and use the pieces from the Syndergaard trade to improve that core and still have Wheeler/DeGrom at top of rotation

Then my question to you both would be: Would you consider including someone currently on the 25-man roster in a trade?

 

I don't remember Kershaw being an option/rumor. He very well could have though. I do remember either of Lester and Ellsbury being the headliner from the Red Sox. But that's the only one I can recall. Don't remember what the Yankee package might have been

Kemp, Kershaw, and LaRoche.  

 

But to be fair, those were the names floated around Twins circles. But they never contacted LAD... Johan said no to that. He wanted to go east coast. Made it hard when at the end of the day, only 3 teams were an option. 

 

To me, that was probably the reason he should have been kept. Hindsight was 20/20 of course, but we were hamstrung there. May as well have let him walk for the picks... other than a year of JJ Hardy, that trade netted us absolutely nothing. 

 

I don't remember Kershaw being an option/rumor. He very well could have though. I do remember either of Lester and Ellsbury being the headliner from the Red Sox. But that's the only one I can recall. Don't remember what the Yankee package might have been

Red Sox names: In addition to Lester and Ellsbury, Twins fans were salivating over Clay Buchholz and Justin Masterson. I'm pretty sure I remember reading the Twins were holding out for Ellsbury, which nixed the deal. 

 

Yankee names: Melky Cabrera, Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes!, Austin Jackson, and Ian Kennedy!

 

The best were the Twins fans proposals for a Dodger trade. We were gonna get James Loney, Clayton Kershaw, and either Matt Kemp or Andre Ethier.

 

 

Good times.

 

 

 

Using that logic, what teams can they trade with? Should be a short list. 

Syndergaard is OURS!!!

 

Then my question to you both would be: Would you consider including someone currently on the 25-man roster in a trade?

Has Poppen been optioned yet?

Has Poppen been optioned yet?

I get it.

 

It’s also a serious question.

 

Then my question to you both would be: Would you consider including someone currently on the 25-man roster in a trade?

 

I'm not sure who they would want off the 25? We aren't trading them any of the outfielders (personally I would include Rosario to get the deal done but that seems unlikely) and don't really have pitching to trade that's MLB ready (I'd include Thorpe if necessary). 

 

Kiriloff is probably closer to the majors than Lewis.  I'd trade him, Graterol, and a lower level prospect or two. 

 

Then my question to you both would be: Would you consider including someone currently on the 25-man roster in a trade?

 

Absolutely. I think the biggest concern is what impact within the clubhouse trading a member of the 25-man roster would have.

 

Additionally, who would the Twins trade away for Thor in a legitimate offer? Rosario? He is maybe the only guy who would have the amount of value the Mets are looking for in return that the Twins would put into a trade (I don't think Buxton is on the table, but maybe Kepler is?). Marwin and Adrianza could fill in the corner OF spots. I wouldn't love that if I am the Twins.

 

The other story out there is the Mets don't want to trade with the Astros, a team they deem smarter than themselves analytically. So yeah, they are still the Mets

And seeing how the Astros conned us out of Pressly, they think they can trade with us is the unspoken part, I assume.

 

The story is Wheeler is a free agent and would likely be walking if no move is made. So you could sign him to an extension now, and use the pieces from the Syndergaard trade to improve that core and still have Wheeler/DeGrom at top of rotation

 

I heard they were talking about extending Wheeler, I kind of think that's a bluff to drive up his trade value though. I don't know why they'd rather have Wheeler than Syndergaard though, even with the prospect return. Wheeler is three years older, also has injury history, and will cost a boatload more to extend.

Whats up with his slider? He is throwing it half as often as he used to (From over 20% 3 years in a row down to 12%) and it is getting lit up. Fastball velocity is right in line with career but slider is down 3-4 MPH compared to last 2 years.

 

Velocity

2015 88.58

2016 91.51

2017 93.15

2018 92.54

2019 89.19

 

Slugging against

2015 .095

2016 .229

2017 .174

2018 .233

2019 .493

 

Isolated Power

2015 .000

2016 .064

2017 .000

2018 .030

2019 .254

Edited July 26, 20197 yr by SomeGuy

Give the Mets a pick 2

 

Kirilloff or Lewis (or any position player prospect) + any pitching prospect.

 

Who can beat the deal? The Astros possibly with Whitley and Tucker. The Yankees can’t. The Padres won’t.

 

It will hurt to lose Kirilloff but they have some depth on the corners. They have Kepler long term in RF. The free agent cost for a bat on a corner or DH is reasonable.

 

Red Sox names: In addition to Lester and Ellsbury, Twins fans were salivating over Clay Buchholz and Justin Masterson. I'm pretty sure I remember reading the Twins were holding out for Ellsbury, which nixed the deal. 

 

Yankee names: Melky Cabrera, Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes!, Austin Jackson, and Ian Kennedy!

 

The best were the Twins fans proposals for a Dodger trade. We were gonna get James Loney, Clayton Kershaw, and either Matt Kemp or Andre Ethier.

 

 

Good times.

 

And the Twins wanted Clay Buchholz over Jon Lester. Though to be fair, most people at the time saw Buchholz as the better prospect.

 

I remember Twins fans talking Dodgers, but I never do remember the Dodgers actually talking about Santana. Maybe they were, but I think everyone was just going through the prospects of the leagues biggest spenders.

Absolutely. I think the biggest concern is what impact within the clubhouse trading a member of the 25-man roster would have.

 

Additionally, who would the Twins trade away for Thor in a legitimate offer? Rosario? He is maybe the only guy who would have the amount of value the Mets are looking for in return that the Twins would put into a trade (I don't think Buxton is on the table, but maybe Kepler is?). Marwin and Adrianza could fill in the corner OF spots. I wouldn't love that if I am the Twins.

My gut says Arraez and Sano are being asked for. (Also I heard something to that effect on WCCO recently.) I agree, that would be tough. I think the Mets would take Rosario or Kepler in an instant but I don’t think the Twins would consider it for even a moment.

 

My gut says Arraez and Sano are being asked for. (Also I heard something to that effect on WCCO recently.) I agree, that would be tough. I think the Mets would take Rosario or Kepler in an instant but I don’t think the Twins would consider it for even a moment.

If it was the offseason, I'd consider Rosario, but not in the middle of a pennant race. He's too valuable to the Twins over the next couple of months to trade away.

 

And the Twins wanted Clay Buchholz over Jon Lester. Though to be fair, most people at the time saw Buchholz as the better prospect.

 

I remember Twins fans talking Dodgers, but I never do remember the Dodgers actually talking about Santana. Maybe they were, but I think everyone was just going through the prospects of the leagues biggest spenders.

Yeah, I'm reasonably certain by the time trade talks started the Twins already knew Santana's demands, he had the leverage. The Twins probably never even contacted the Dodgers. But man, we had some dreams, didn't we??

 

Still believe they'da been better off keeping him, putting another 230 innings on his arm, and taking the picks.

I'd sweeten the pot on the prospects at the back end of the deal if the Twins can include Kirilloff instead of Lewis on a deal like this.

 

Let's put all the corner bats in a bucket, Kirilloff, Larnich, Rooker, Raley, Wiel, Blankenhorn and Davis. What are the odds that Kirilloff will actually turn out to be the best of that bunch? 25% tops? The odds are probably even less than that.

 

And it's not like Kepler, Rosario, Sano, Cruz and Cron are giving them much room this year or next.