Blanco is a 26 year old "speed" guy in AA, the other is a 20 year old in rookie ball.

Edited July 27, 20197 yr by Vanimal46

 

Blanco is a 26 year old "speed" guy in AA, the other is a 20 year old in rookie ball.

Apparently they are both non-top 30 prospects... looks like the Royals weren't asking much for Diekman, though to be fair he hasn't been all that good thus far.

Apparently they are both non-top 30 prospects... looks like the Royals weren't asking much for Diekman, though to be fair he hasn't been all that good thus far.

Not sure if you've noticed, but the Twins have AAA starters filling in the bullpen, along with a 36 year old breathing placeholder. There's opportunity for a cheap flyer like Diekman.

 

Not sure if you've noticed, but the Twins have AAA starters filling in the bullpen, along with a 36 year old breathing placeholder. There's opportunity for a cheap flyer like Diekman.

How about a cheap flyer like Sergio Romo? I don't think losing Lewin Diaz means much to our farm system.

Per Jon Heyman, Marcus Stroman is going to the Mets.

 

No surprise as the rumors from Ken Rosenthal last night indicated that the Mets are going to trade Syndergaard but wanted to bring in Stroman...

 

Per Jon Heyman, Marcus Stroman is going to the Mets.

 

No surprise as the rumors from Ken Rosenthal last night indicated that the Mets are going to trade Syndergaard but wanted to bring in Stroman...

But Stroman is only around for one more season, unless they resign him I guess.  I don't get it, honestly. 

The Mets trade makes no sense. Stroman is the type of player you add to a team trying to win now. Mets are crapp and unlikely to contend next year but now are out a few prospects that (in theory) could help with the rebuild they need to undertake.

 

If, instead, they are deciding to go all in, they can't trade Thor.

Must be MLB talent going to the Jays...top Met according to MLB Pipeline is #84

 

Conforto? Nimmo?

 

How about Diaz to the Jays?

Mets are a complete dumpster fire of an organization. Stroman doesn’t deserve being in such a terrible environment

Mets maybe building for next year i guess

Must be MLB talent going to the Jays...top Met according to MLB Pipeline is #84

 

Conforto? Nimmo?

 

How about Diaz to the Jays?

2 milb pitchers outside of the top 100.

 

AAA lefty Anthony Kay.

A+ righty Simeon Woods-Richardson.

 

I'd put a Twins comp at Thorpe and Duran.

That's not quite equitable, Kay is a 55 FV and Thorpe is just 50, but it's the closest i could find.

Well at least nobody in the AL gets Stroman

Not yet. Its the Mets. They could flip him.

Reading a few threads out there, I think a closer comp for the Twins might have been a healthy Stephen Gonsalvez and maybe Balazovic before he started breaking out.

That sure doesn't seem like much of a return for Toronto. 

 

The Mets trade makes no sense. Stroman is the type of player you add to a team trying to win now. Mets are crapp and unlikely to contend next year but now are out a few prospects that (in theory) could help with the rebuild they need to undertake.

 

If, instead, they are deciding to go all in, they can't trade Thor.

Why should the Mets rebuild? They have Alonso, Rosario, and McNeil for 4-5 years, and Conforto for 2 more after this year too. They have deGrom for 3-5 more, Diaz and Lugo for 3 more, Syndergaard for 2 more.

 

They're far from perfect, but I'm not seeing the need to rebuild.

If the Mets don't trade Syndergaard to the Twins, I hope they keep him. Cleveland has to go to play the Mets for three. Would like to see Stroman, Syndergaard, deGrom draw the starts.

 

If the Mets don't trade Syndergaard to the Twins, I hope they keep him. Cleveland has to go to play the Mets for three. Would like to see Stroman, Syndergaard, deGrom draw the starts.

Matz/Vargas/Syndergaard are currently lined up for the 3 Cleveland games. But obviously it depends on if/how they fit Stroman in there. (If they simply insert him into Wheeler's spot, it may not matter.)

 

Why should the Mets rebuild? They have Alonso, Rosario, and McNeil for 4-5 years, and Conforto for 2 more after this year too. They have deGrom for 3-5 more, Diaz and Lugo for 3 more, Syndergaard for 2 more.

 

They're far from perfect, but I'm not seeing the need to rebuild.

Well, right. The other plan is to keep Thor and try to win with this group.

 

I'm getting hot and bothered by the trade deadline stove...

 

Why should the Mets rebuild? They have Alonso, Rosario, and McNeil for 4-5 years, and Conforto for 2 more after this year too. They have deGrom for 3-5 more, Diaz and Lugo for 3 more, Syndergaard for 2 more.

 

They're far from perfect, but I'm not seeing the need to rebuild.

I don't think the Mets need to do a full-on rebuild because of the young core you have highlighted. If the Mets are trying to trade Thor, in my opinion, it would make sense for them to try to package up Cano and/or Cespedes to shed some salary. The Mets are still somewhat major players in free agency given their market. Take the money saved from a salary-dump type deal and use that to bolster a pretty solid core.

I don't think the Mets need to do a full-on rebuild because of the young core you have highlighted. If the Mets are trying to trade Thor, in my opinion, it would make sense for them to try to package up Cano and/or Cespedes to shed some salary. The Mets are still somewhat major players in free agency given their market. Take the money saved from a salary-dump type deal and use that to bolster a pretty solid core.

No one is taking on Cano at this point.

 

No one is taking on Cano at this point.

 

Certainly no one wants to take Cano at this point, but if the Mets are truly trying to shop Syndergaard before the deadline, they can still ask for major prospects, maybe just not quite as many.

 

If the Twins were asked to take on Cano as part of a deal for Syndergaard, I would say absolutely not. Maybe there is another team out there willing to eat that salary for a haul of prospects.

 

It might have to be a 3 team deal to make it all work. The Mets will have to get creative, but if I were in their front office, I would be looking to unload Cano in any major deal.

 

Certainly no one wants to take Cano at this point, but if the Mets are truly trying to shop Syndergaard before the deadline, they can still ask for major prospects, maybe just not quite as many.

 

If the Twins were asked to take on Cano as part of a deal for Syndergaard, I would say absolutely not. Maybe there is another team out there willing to eat that salary for a haul of prospects.

 

It might have to be a 3 team deal to make it all work. The Mets will have to get creative, but if I were in their front office, I would be looking to unload Cano in any major deal.

Quoting myself here, I apologize already. Here is my proposed 3 team deal:

 

Twins receive Noah Syndergaard

 

Tigers receive Robinson Cano plus prospects

 

Mets receive Matthew Boyd, Jonathan Schoop, plus prospects

 

I don't know what prospects are needed to get this done, but the Mets get a young, controllable pitcher that they are requesting in a Syndergaard deal. The Mets give Cano to Detroit, who will have both Cano and Cabrera come off the books at the same time while having a tremendously cheap 23 other players (once Jordan Zimmerman is off the books). The Twins get the ace they are after without (hopefully) giving up both Lewis and Kirilloff.

 

I need someone who knows what all 3 organizations have in their farm systems to help figure out what prospects need to go where, but doesn't this help all 3 (Detroit gets worse as part of the deal, but that is what they are trying to do).

 

Quoting myself here, I apologize already. Here is my proposed 3 team deal:

 

Twins receive Noah Syndergaard

 

Tigers receive Robinson Cano plus prospects

 

Mets receive Matthew Boyd, Jonathan Schoop, plus prospects

 

I don't know what prospects are needed to get this done, but the Mets get a young, controllable pitcher that they are requesting in a Syndergaard deal. The Mets give Cano to Detroit, who will have both Cano and Cabrera come off the books at the same time while having a tremendously cheap 23 other players (once Jordan Zimmerman is off the books). The Twins get the ace they are after without (hopefully) giving up both Lewis and Kirilloff.

 

I need someone who knows what all 3 organizations have in their farm systems to help figure out what prospects need to go where, but doesn't this help all 3 (Detroit gets worse as part of the deal, but that is what they are trying to do).

 

That sounds fun, but if the Tigers are giving up Boyd AND taking on Cano, I'd imagine the Twins would be giving up half of their top 10 prospects to Detroit.

 

That sounds fun, but if the Tigers are giving up Boyd AND taking on Cano, I'd imagine the Twins would be giving up half of their top 10 prospects to Detroit.

 

It would be steep, that is for sure. Perhaps the Mets would also send a prospect or two.

 

I am always surprised to see 3-team deals transpire because of the difficulty 2 teams have in making trades.

 

I also don't like the idea of the Twins replenishing the Tigers farm. I would never advocate for sending both Lewis and Kirilloff that direction because having to face them both 19 times per year sounds awful. Again, this is just an idea I had, not something I am pushing for.

 

Quoting myself here, I apologize already. Here is my proposed 3 team deal:

 

Twins receive Noah Syndergaard

 

Tigers receive Robinson Cano plus prospects

 

Mets receive Matthew Boyd, Jonathan Schoop, plus prospects

 

I don't know what prospects are needed to get this done, but the Mets get a young, controllable pitcher that they are requesting in a Syndergaard deal. The Mets give Cano to Detroit, who will have both Cano and Cabrera come off the books at the same time while having a tremendously cheap 23 other players (once Jordan Zimmerman is off the books). The Twins get the ace they are after without (hopefully) giving up both Lewis and Kirilloff.

 

I need someone who knows what all 3 organizations have in their farm systems to help figure out what prospects need to go where, but doesn't this help all 3 (Detroit gets worse as part of the deal, but that is what they are trying to do).

It's really difficult to express how much of an albatross Cano's remaining contract is. To get him off the books would be a tremendous boon to the Mets. They would be expected to pay through the teeth for the privilege. Simply handing over Syndergaard is, amazingly, probably not enough.

 

While I have reservations about the Trade simulator at https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/ , it is useful for getting into the correct neighborhood of how a trade would be structured.

 

Cano weighs in at Negative 83 million. Syndergaard, valuable though he is at 68 million, doesn't balance out Cano. Maybe the Mets get Schoop as a replacement for Cano at 2B, adding the $4M of excess value that Schoop brings. So now they're $19M in the hole.

 

The Mets don't additionally get Boyd, worth $31M himself, in this scenario, without putting a ton of extra value into the trade. They don't get "and prospects", except of the very marginal variety that change hands between clubs all the time - just for show, essentially.

 

So the Tigers get a world class haul of young talent in this scenario. Just to pick names that approximately add up (not that it would necessarily make baseball sense), Twins send Kirilloff and Larnach to the Tigers. The Mets send their prize SS Amed Rosario to the Tigers. Nice return for Boyd plus eating a lot of salary.

 

The Tigers send a few cat-and-dog prospects to the Twins and Mets simply to even up the books a bit. Failed pitching prospect Kyle Funkhouser, shortstop Sergio Alcantara, pitcher Gregory Soto. Just names on a roster.

 

In summary:

 

Twins get: Syndergaard (Mets), Funkhouser (Tigers)

Mets get: Alcantara (Tigers), Boyd (Tigers), Schoop (Twins), Soto (Tigers)

TIgers get: Cano (Mets), Kirilloff (Twins), Larnach (Twins), Rosario (Mets)

 

Far-fetched, but if the Mets are set on getting rid of a liability they took on only a year ago, I guess it could happen. Twins perhaps say no to both Larnach and Kirilloff, and the bits and pieces they would substitute might not be what the Tigers want. Meanwhile the NY media roasts the Mets FO alive.

 

Very tough to pull off.

 

 

 

It's really difficult to express how much of an albatross Cano's remaining contract is. To get him off the books would be a tremendous boon to the Mets. They would be expected to pay for the privilege. Simply handing over Syndergaard is, amazingly, not enough.

 

While I have reservations about the Trade simulator at https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/ , it is useful for getting into the correct neighborhood of how a trade would be structured.

 

Cano weighs in at Negative 83 million. Syndergaard, valuable though he is at 68 million, doesn't balance out Cano. Maybe the Mets get Schoop as a replacement for Cano at 2B, adding the $4M of excess value that Schoop brings. So now they're $19M in the hole.

 

The Mets don't additionally get Boyd, worth $31M himself, in this scenario, without putting a ton of extra value into the trade.

 

So the Tigers get a world class haul of young talent in this scenario. Just to pick names that approximately add up (not that it would necessarily make baseball sense), Twins send Kirilloff and Larnach to the Tigers. The Mets send their prize SS Rosario to the Tigers. Nice return for Boyd plus eating a lot of salary.

 

The Tigers send a couple of cat-and-dog prospects to the Twins and Mets simply to even up the books a bit.

 

Far-fetched, but if the Mets are set on getting rid of a liability they took on only a year ago, I guess it could happen.

Thank you for breaking that all down. I agree a trade of that magnitude is quite far-fetched.

 

Cano's contract is so terrible, good lord.

SP Jason Vargas to the Phillies