July 8, 20188 yr I'm going to guess the Twins don't do much at the trade deadline. Not because they wouldn't like to, but, rather, it's going to be due to a lack of interest. Bremer actually made what I think was an astute observation when he wondered if there is really going to be any sort of trade deadline market this year. I have to admit, after the non-existent FA market this last year, Mr Bremer may be on to something. Things have changed when it comes to player trades. Should be an interesting trade deadline this year. I think no market would be odd. There are still teams in the hunt trying to solidify a roster for a playoff/WS run... What you may see is more sellers and less buyers. That will depress prices on any non-premium assets.
July 8, 20188 yr I think no market would be odd. There are still teams in the hunt trying to solidify a roster for a playoff/WS run... What you may see is more sellers and less buyers. That will depress prices on any non-premium assets. I think we're on the same page. I don't believe there will be no market, I just wonder if there will be enough of a market for anything the Twins have to offer. Kind of astounding how fast the market has changed, I must admit.
July 8, 20188 yr I think we're on the same page. I don't believe there will be no market, I just wonder if there will be enough of a market for anything the Twins have to offer. Kind of astounding how fast the market has changed, I must admit. I think most of the Twins tradeable assets will have some value. Escobar and Gibson would be an upgrade (and likely significant) on a number of playoff teams. They should fetch top price if on the market. Other than maybe DeGrom, there really aren't any impact pitchers available. I would expect a top 150 prospect for these guys and probably something else. Lynn would be a perfectly acceptable 5th starter for any team really struggling at the back of the rotation. The question there is how many other pitchers are out there that fit that bill, because supply is what will ultimately depress his price. Dozier will depend on what other 2Bs are on the market and if someone wants to make a bet that he could get hot (or hopefully he gets hot and solves that problem for us). Teams always need bullpen help, especially when every team has at least 7 spots and someone who could be upgraded. Again, it's supply/demand. I'm sure there will be other relievers on the market. The question is how many are available and how many teams are buying. I don't see a scenario where Rodney, Duke, or Pressley couldn't get something, though most likely in the high risk/high reward type category. So yeah, I think the Twins could unload all of these guys. Other than Gibby and Escobar though, I don't expect much in the way of high quality prospects.
July 8, 20188 yr In general I agree, but that non prospect is taking playing time away from someone.I’m having trust issues with the clubs ability to identify the difference between prospect and non prospect.
July 8, 20188 yr I think most of the Twins tradeable assets will have some value. Escobar and Gibson would be an upgrade (and likely significant) on a number of playoff teams. They should fetch top price if on the market. Other than maybe DeGrom, there really aren't any impact pitchers available. I would expect a top 150 prospect for these guys and probably something else. Lynn would be a perfectly acceptable 5th starter for any team really struggling at the back of the rotation. The question there is how many other pitchers are out there that fit that bill, because supply is what will ultimately depress his price. Dozier will depend on what other 2Bs are on the market and if someone wants to make a bet that he could get hot (or hopefully he gets hot and solves that problem for us). Teams always need bullpen help, especially when every team has at least 7 spots and someone who could be upgraded. Again, it's supply/demand. I'm sure there will be other relievers on the market. The question is how many are available and how many teams are buying. I don't see a scenario where Rodney, Duke, or Pressley couldn't get something, though most likely in the high risk/high reward type category. So yeah, I think the Twins could unload all of these guys. Other than Gibby and Escobar though, I don't expect much in the way of high quality prospects.You're much more optimistic than I am. Again, should be interesting.
July 8, 20188 yr I agree it is going to be a strange market. My worry is that teams like the Astros and Yankees both with great farm systems use this market to buy controlable assets at cheap prices because of the great number of bad teams more than 3 years from contending and how MLB will address this in the future.
July 9, 20188 yr Lynn will be one of the better starters in the market. If we get a player that can help this season, it will be by trading Lynn. I would also like to see Ecobar extended for 3 seasons.
July 9, 20188 yr Eduardo Escobar for Shane Bieber. Who says no?Cleveland. Bieber's too MLB-ready and probably too good, to be had for someone's super-sub infielder. His stock has surely risen this year. It could be the starting point for a discussion, if the Twins are willing to include a good pitching prospect, and the Indians throw in a so-so position player prospect to re-balance the deal. But then the Twins probably say no.
July 9, 20188 yr Cleveland. Bieber's too MLB-ready and probably too good, to be had for someone's super-sub infielder. It could be the starting point for a discussion, if the Twins are willing to include a good pitching prospect, and the Indians throw in a so-so position player prospect. But then the Twins probably say no.I don't even think it gets that far. Bieber is currently in their rotation, and performing well, and he's needed there for the foreseeable future. Most contenders don't want to subtract current MLB contributors in a midseason trade. Escobar isn't even a particularly strong fit for them -- he'd either have to play second base himself which he has rarely done for the Twins, or he'd require them moving Jose Ramirez back over to second base, and I'm not sure if they'd be willing to do that again now that Ramirez is a bonafide superstar. I think they'd rather look at better fits at second like Gennett, Lowrie, or Starlin Castro. Edited July 9, 20188 yr by spycake
July 9, 20188 yr I don't even think it gets that far.I was being a little generous for discussion purposes but basically agree. We could keep scratching around for other reasons against, for instance it being an intra-division trade, too.
July 9, 20188 yr I don't even think it gets that far. Bieber is currently in their rotation, and performing well, and he's needed there for the foreseeable future. Most contenders don't want to subtract current MLB contributors in a midseason trade. Escobar isn't even a particularly strong fit for them -- he'd either have to play second base himself which he has rarely done for the Twins, or he'd require them moving Jose Ramirez back over to second base, and I'm not sure if they'd be willing to do that again now that Ramirez is a bonafide superstar. I think they'd rather look at better fits at second like Gennett, Lowrie, or Starlin Castro.Which reminded me of the Twins trading away Matt Lawton for Rick Reed in 2001. The Twins never win the division without Reed in 2002, true enough. But they were very much in the hunt in 2001 and they traded away their most consistent and most experienced offensive player. Like you said, MOST contenders don’t do it that way. That’s why it’s the Twins Way.
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