Castro out for Season

[lukeduke1980]

Run with it Garver.  If he completely fails then what is he anyway(?)  I like Wilson as a mentor.

[ThejacKmp]

 

He's out for the season? If true, he's not going to be much help next year either. If true, is certainly be trying to get a catcher in trade. They supposedly have a very deep farm system, this is why you have depth.. .

 

ACL's regularly take 9 months for MLB players, he has a good shot to be okay for opening day and if not, early in the season. Adam Eaton tore his at the end of April last year and was back for opening day.

 

Catchers don't tend to make the quick cuts that are so hard on ACLs so Castro being a catcher shouldn't change things too much.

 

In good news, lead knee recoveries generally go better than back knee recoveries. Since Castro is a lefty at the plate, he should be in better shape there since it's his right knee.

[ThejacKmp]

 

It doesn't bother you someone is hurt?

 

Pretty clear he's talking about Castro as a baseball player and not Castro the human being. Or did you think that some TD poster had a vendetta against Twins catcher Jason Castro?

 

This is pretty combative for no real reason or logical purpose. C'mon.

[Danchat]

 

ACL's regularly take 9 months for MLB players, he has a good shot to be okay for opening day and if not, early in the season. Adam Eaton tore his at the end of April last year and was back for opening day.

 

Catchers don't tend to make the quick cuts that are so hard on ACLs so Castro being a catcher shouldn't change things too much.

 

In good news, lead knee recoveries generally go better than back knee recoveries. Since Castro is a lefty at the plate, he should be in better shape there since it's his right knee.

It's an MCL (meniscus) tear. It takes a shorter amount of time to recover from this kind.

[ThejacKmp]

 

I don't know what the heck you're talking about, the Twins can afford Realmuto's 2019-2020 salaries that will total $14-17M and the Pohlads aren't getting in the way of that. Clearly they must have hated how Falvey and Levine spent $30M in 2018 in free agency.

 

The only thing preventing a trade for Realmuto is the prospects the Marlins will ask for. Someone had mentioned Nick Gordon, but I think I'd rather keep him because our infield's future looks very muddied with Dozier and Escobar as free agents. 

 

They will ask for at least two top prospects. Realmuto would have a painful cost that will likely be prohibitive. You ain't buying low.

 

I'd be more interested in Lucroy, who could get in the mix at DH and 1B while splitting time with Garver. He doesn't hit lefty but there won't be a perfect solution.

 

Not sure what Lucroy will cost. Assuming that there are no other teams bidding, it seems like not that much? He was available for $6.5 million on a one-year deal so there isn't a huge market for him. Strange since he still has a nice bat.

[ThejacKmp]

 

It's an MCL (meniscus) tear. It takes a shorter amount of time to recover from this kind.

 

Even better. He should for sure be back by next year.

[Mike Sixel]

Recovery time or not, he's not getting younger or better... And he has one cheap year left. I find it hard to believe he's even the main catcher next year, and if he is, that's probably not a good sign about Garver....

[ThejacKmp]

 

Why is that too expensive? They have what at catcher? Castro isn't stellar, and now he'll be older and coming off a season ending injury. What is the point of a deep system if you won't trade from it? Realmuto is an answer for this season and two more. And, I am a Garver fan.....

 

That's a lot of prospects for a guy whose career OPS is .760. Garver is working on a .736 OPS this year. Realmuto is clearly the better player but is he that much better? Those are real prospects the Twins would be giving up.

 

I don't think Realmuto moves the dial that much. The Twins need a short-term solution for this year since they have Castro and Garver for next year. Lucroy makes so much sense.

[ThejacKmp]

 

Recovery time or not, he's not getting younger or better... And he has one cheap year left. I find it hard to believe he's even the main catcher next year, and if he is, that's probably not a good sign about Garver....

 

Last year Castro was an above-average hitter for a catcher. He has always gotten reviews that range from average to excellent for his defense. And he's a lefty who pairs excellently with Garver.

 

The Castro hate has always been overstated. He's not Joe Mauer but that's why there are currently nine threads debating whether or not Joe Mauer is a HOFer. Castro is an above-average C. The Twins would be better spent seeing if those prospects pan out.

[Mike Sixel]

I wanted them to sign Castro. I don't hate him at all, as a player or person. But he's got one year left, and he's a catcher having knee surgery.... And skills decline with age.

 

Most minor league players just don't turn out. Realmuto is one of the best catchers in the game. Garver isn't close to that. I think it likely we won't agree on this one.

 

I'd rather the team have good MLB players than a deep farm system they don't trade from, only to watch other teams trade for Verlander....I don't want a repeat of the previous FO refusing to make good teams better, as a fan.

[nicksaviking]

I don't know, I think people are putting more expectations on today's catchers than they probably deserve. Sure, Realmuto is a good catcher and a clear upgrade, but he's one of about a half dozen catchers league-wide you could say that about. If you don't have or can't get one of them, I'm not going to stress out over the position.

 

I mean aside from the Yankees, the other AL playoff contenders are rolling with likes of Martin Maldonado, Yan Gomes, Brian McCann, Christian Vazquez, Russell Martin, Mike Zunino and Jon Lucroy. Unless the year is 2014, I don't see anyone there that's significantly better than replacement level. It's just a black hole of a position these days, most of the time the best hitters are moved from catcher long before they reach the majors.

 

Having an injured catcher these days evokes sympathy from me for the injured player, but an "Eh" in terms of impacting the team.

[Puckett34]

 

It's an MCL (meniscus) tear. It takes a shorter amount of time to recover from this kind.

MCL refers to the medial collateral ligament, not the meniscus.   Now there is a medial (inside) and lateral (outside) meniscus'.   But the MCL and meniscus are two different things.

 

I apologize in advance if I'm missing something in the above posts' about the ACL and your MCL posts' 

 

 

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[Mike Sixel]

I don't know, I think people are putting more expectations on today's catchers than they probably deserve. Sure, Realmuto is a good catcher and a clear upgrade, but he's one of about a half dozen catchers league-wide you could say that about. If you don't have or can't get one of them, I'm not going to stress out over the position.

 

I mean aside from the Yankees, the other AL playoff contenders are rolling with likes of Martin Maldonado, Yan Gomes, Brian McCann, Christian Vazquez, Russell Martin, Mike Zunino and Jon Lucroy. Unless the year is 2014, I don't see anyone there that's significantly better than replacement level. It's just a black hole of a position these days, most of the time the best hitters are moved from catcher long before they reach the majors.

 

Having an injured catcher these days evokes sympathy from me for the injured player, but an "Eh" in terms of impacting the team.

All true, but where else are they old and going to look outside for improvement? Polanco and Gordon are the MIF if Dozier leaves. Sano at third. The OF is controlled for some time, and has potential they aren't giving up on. That leaves first and catcher and DH.

[Danchat]

 

MCL refers to the medial collateral ligament, not the meniscus.   Now there is a medial (inside) and lateral (outside) meniscus'.   But the MCL and meniscus are two different things.

 

I apologize in advance if I'm missing something in the above posts' about the ACL and your MCL posts' 

 

 

Whoops, I guess I shouldn't have assumed the "M" in MCL was Meniscus.

[TheLeviathan]

I wonder if Realmuto's price would be even more inflated given the timing and circumstances.  Feels like trading for Bradford in August.

 

I'd still try to do it, but I'd definitely be ok with Swihart as well.

[nicksaviking]

 

All true, but where else are they old and going to look outside for improvement? Polanco and Gordon are the MIF if Dozier leaves. Sano at third. The OF is controlled for some time, and has potential they aren't giving up on. That leaves first and catcher and DH.

 

If they can get Realmuto without getting fleeced I'm on board.

 

If not my focus wouldn't change; my priorities would be back of the bullpen, RH power bat - position be damned, with front of the rotation ace being on my list of fantasies I'll never see in my lifetime. I just don't think the difference between 95% of catchers is much more than negligible these days.

[Mike Sixel]

If they can get Realmuto without getting fleeced I'm on board.

 

If not my focus wouldn't change; my priorities would be back of the bullpen, RH power bat - position be damned, with front of the rotation ace being on my list of fantasies I'll never see in my lifetime. I just don't think the difference between 95% of catchers is much more than negligible these days.

All fair. What would you give up?

 

I'd be good with a RH left or right fielder, but is the upgrade that big? Rosario and Kepler are probably two war players this year. I can't see them cutting bait on Mauer or Morrison, or Dozier, or Buxton. I can't imagine there is a SS available they like more than Polanco they would pay for. That doesn't leave many options, imo.

[cmoss84]

I'm probably in the minority here in that I would trade Gordon and Gonsalves for Realmuto.

I'd be much obliged if someone could post a poll regarding this (or something similar). I'd like to know what people would be willing to give up. 

[nicksaviking]

 

All fair. What would you give up?

I'd be good with a RH left or right fielder, but is the upgrade that big? Rosario and Kepler are probably two war players this year. I can't see them cutting bait on Mauer or Morrison, or Dozier, or Buxton. I can't imagine there is a SS available they like more than Polanco they would pay for. That doesn't leave many options, imo.

 

As far as a RH bat goes, I'd think if he can play OF or 3B they could easily find at bats for everyone by rotating Kepler to 1B once in awhile and everyone getting DH days. The person most affected would be Morrison, which doesn't bother me terribly.

 

Also, I'm still a Buxton fan but I'm not opposed to a AAA re-calibration.

 

As for Realmuto, just as with all my trade thoughts, Gonsalves is on the top of my list of expendables. I'm on an island on this one but I'm skeptical of him panning out. I'd listen on the rest of the package, though wouldn't let go of Lewis.

[alarp33]

 

It's an MCL (meniscus) tear. It takes a shorter amount of time to recover from this kind.

 

An MCL is totally different from Meniscus, FYI.  MCL is a ligament, Meniscus is cartilage.  

 

If he had a meniscus repair which I believe is what was reported, he'll likely be fully healthy by ~October

[Mike Sixel]

I'm probably in the minority here in that I would trade Gordon and Gonsalves for Realmuto.

I'd be much obliged if someone could post a poll regarding this (or something similar). I'd like to know what people would be willing to give up.

I'd do that. It would sting, but I'd do that.

[alarp33]

 

Last year Castro was an above-average hitter for a catcher. He has always gotten reviews that range from average to excellent for his defense. And he's a lefty who pairs excellently with Garver.

 

 

I'm not a Castro hater, but what exact stat are you using to call Castro an above avg hitter for a catcher? His wRC+ last year was 93

[nicksaviking]

 

I'm probably in the minority here in that I would trade Gordon and Gonsalves for Realmuto.

I'd be much obliged if someone could post a poll regarding this (or something similar). I'd like to know what people would be willing to give up. 

 

To me the problem with getting Realmuto is that Boston, Cleveland, Anaheim, Seattle and Toronto also have replacement level catchers and should/would be trying to get him also. And knowing Houston, they'll go after any good ballplayer even if there is of a less clear need.

 

Those are the teams the Twins have to get past in the standings.

[Puckett34]

 

Whoops, I guess I shouldn't have assumed the "M" in MCL was Meniscus.

No worries.   If I hadn't had my ACL reconstructed in high school and didn't work in the medical field, I wouldn't know either.

[ThejacKmp]

 

I'm not a Castro hater, but what exact stat are you using to call Castro an above avg hitter for a catcher? His wRC+ last year was 93

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/05/jason-castro-knee-surgery-six-weeks-twins.html

 

I believe you need to compare it to other catchers?

[alarp33]

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/05/jason-castro-knee-surgery-six-weeks-twins.html

 

I believe you need to compare it to other catchers?

 

He was 17th of 23 catchers who had 350+ Plate appearances in wRC+. That is not above avg.  The link you posted is including any at bat taken by a catcher, where backups obviously play much more often than other positions

[ThejacKmp]

 

I'd do that. It would sting, but I'd do that.

 

I just can't stomach trading 6 years of control of Gonsalves and Gordan for three years of expensive control over a guy who doesn't hit that much better than Garver (but I'd assume is a better defensive catcher). And who makes you either trade Castro for pennies on the dollar in the offseason or send Garver to AAA.

 

Seems like giving up too much and getting too little. Especially since Lucroy would likely cost a relatively marginal prospect and let you go back to the acceptable Castro/Garver pairing for next year.

[Mike Sixel]

Ya, he was pretty much median among catchers last year. I just don't think that likely to keep up as he ages.

[ThejacKmp]

 

Ya, he was pretty much median among catchers last year. I just don't think that likely to keep up as he ages.

 

But hopefully Garver would be getting 70% of the at-bats as he showed himself. The deal with Castro was always predicated on him potentially morphing into a backup if Garver showed himself.

[Doomtints]

 

If they're going to go after someone it had better be someone who's better than Garver. 

 

Garver has been better than Castro, btw.  Who is to say Garver is not the catcher of the future?