Ok. 30 homers a year are not going to offset subpar fielding and striking out 40% of the time. He is showing no indication that he understands that he has a lot of improving to do. I hope he monitors Chris Carter’s career because that is where he is headed

Miguel Sano, has a career OPS 100 points higher than Carter.

He also has already compiled more than twice as many bWAR (5.8 to 2.5) as Carter, in 431 less games.

 

So, even if Sano never improves at all, he's a much, much better and more valuable player than Chris Carter.

Just to be clear, when we’re talking about Miguel Sano, we’re still talking about the Miguel Sano with an OPS over .900, right?

 

*scratches head furiously*

 

He’s the new anti-Mauer. Joe didn’t hit dingers and was crucified for it. Sano only hits dingers and is crucified for it.

 

Go home, Minnesota. You’re drunk.

Chris carter was an example. I think we should all be worried about Sano’s current career arc.

Just to be clear, when we’re talking about Miguel Sano, we’re still talking about the Miguel Sano with an OPS over .900, right?

 

*scratches head furiously*

 

He’s the new anti-Mauer. Joe didn’t hit dingers and was crucified for it. Sano only hits dingers and is crucified for it.

 

Go home, Minnesota. You’re drunk.

Hmmm...aren’t you a moderator?

Chris carter was an example. I think we should all be worried about Sano’s current career arc.

I don’t think we should be worried about anything. He’s a very good player who has the ability to be great. Whether he gets there isn’t really something that keeps me up at night. I’m enjoying what he delivers because it’s fun to watch. If he improves, I’ll enjoy it more.

The market has been pretty clear in valuing all or nothing hitters with no positional value. Sure he might rise above that definition but there are no signs currently. And no I am not drunk ....

Based on the subject lines here at TD, we're worried about everything.

To paraphrase comments in many other threads this week, I'm not worried about a lot of strikeouts in the first dozen games of the season. Everyone is rusty, they just came from very different temps in FL/AZ, and they haven't settled into the routine of the season yet. 

 

Players don't improve instantly, it takes years. It's a game of nuance and subtlety. Sano has nothing in common with Cuddyer (besides player 3B poorly), but I'll use Cuddy as an example. With many players you're ready to give up on them at about the time they finally turn that corner.

 

The market has been pretty clear in valuing all or nothing hitters with no positional value. Sure he might rise above that definition but there are no signs currently. And no I am not drunk ....

But he's not an all or nothing hitter with no positional value, which is why his OPS and WAR are so much higher than someone like Chris Carter, who is those things.

No even the tiniest amount

Hmmm...aren’t you a moderator?

Um... No? Yes? That’s a complicated question.

Maybe you think the Twins should do a Big Papi to Boston with Sano? I envision Sano as a similar player as Ortiz. How'd that work out?

Right now, I'd be more worried about Morrison being a bust.

Edited April 13, 20188 yr by rv78

Right now Sano is much more similar to Morrison than Ortiz

Right now Sano is much more similar to Morrison than Ortiz

Wut? He's still, despite the ridiculous, not going to continue, strikeouts an above average, if not great, hitter.

Right now Sano is much more similar to Morrison than Ortiz

He’s not. Sano is 24 years old with a 126 OPS+. Morrison is 30 years old with a 108 OPS+.

So Sano is going to be Ortiz? If I’m betting my pension I will stick with him being Morrison.

So Sano is going to be Ortiz? If I’m betting my pension I will stick with him being Morrison.

I'll bet my money on in between.....

 

I'll bet my money on in between.....

Yeah, exactly... And right now, if using OPS+, Sano is slightly closer to Ortiz' career number than he is Morrison.

 

Oh, and Sano is still 24 years old.

Remember that thing I said earlier today about Sano/Hrbek?

 

So Sano is going to be Ortiz? If I’m betting my pension I will stick with him being Morrison.

Miguel Sano is 24 years old and has played 319 MLB games. His career fWAR is 5.9.

 

Logan Morrison is 30 years old and has played 873 MLB games. His career fWAR is 5.8.

 

This is a really weird hill to die on, man.

 

Remember that thing I said earlier today about Sano/Hrbek?

Yeah... yeah.

Boy, lots of players to worry about on this 7-4 team.

 

Boy, lots of players to worry about on this 7-4 team.

 

Pfft....we haven't even started panicking about Buxton.

 

Until sometime in the next 24 hours I'm sure.

Is this post for real or just trolling? (*)

 

Sano's numbers this season:

 

.985 OPS, 158 OPS+, .399 wOBA, 156 wRC+

 

Worry?

Wish every Twins' hitter hit like Sano.

 

(*) Unless Sano is a typo for LoMo

 

Edited April 13, 20188 yr by Thrylos

I have no illusions he will be a Miggy Cabrera anymore.

 

Just lower the expectations a little, and you see how valuable a piece Sano is. Let Berrios/Buck/Royce Lewis be the headliners.

Miguel Sano is 24 years old and has played 319 MLB games. His career fWAR is 5.9.

 

 

 

Logan Morrison is 30 years old and has played 873 MLB games. His career fWAR is 5.8.

 

 

 

This is a really weird hill to die on, man.

You seem to be quite emotional about this with references to being drunk and dying on hills. I hope Sano is the next great player of this generation. I just see that possibility becoming less and less As time goes by. You obviously get to have your opinion which I won’t disparage.

 

I have no illusions he will be a Miggy Cabrera anymore.

Just lower the expectations a little, and you see how valuable a piece Sano is. Let Berrios/Buck/Royce Lewis be the headliners.

 

You have to be Miguel Cabrera to be a headliner?

 

And how does Buck make that list?

 

 

 

You have to be Miguel Cabrera to be a headliner?

 

And how does Buck make that list?

 

someday?

 

You seem to be quite emotional about this with references to being drunk and dying on hills. I hope Sano is the next great player of this generation. I just see that possibility becoming less and less As time goes by. You obviously get to have your opinion which I won’t disparage.

I'm not even a little bit emotional about this. The drunk comment was having a bit of fun at the expense of Minnesota fans never being satisfied with the gifts they are given. The hill comment was made in genuine perplexity at your statements that Miguel Sano is in any way comparable to Logan Morrison.

 

Because that's a seriously weird comparison to make, especially when making the (obvious) comparison of Morrison posting a Buxton-esque OPS to start this season while Sano is raking.

 

I'm having a bit of fun because your takes here are a bit hyperbolic. That's all there is to it.