Do you think Berrios starts the opener or do we go with Gibby and his veteran presence?

what about saving Gibby for the home opener?

 

Lame. He never wanted to come to Minnesota.

And you know this how? 

 

That perhaps is because that offer would have needed to include playing in a different city?

It's easy for Twins fans to fall back on that excuse.

 

He's now playing in his 3rd different city in a year.

Edited February 10, 20188 yr by jimmer

I'm just thankful that THIS WEEK finally happened!

This was over as soon as the Cubs signed Gimenez, apparently.

I look forward to opening day when we raise our “3rd place in the Yu Darvish sweepstakes” banner along with our AL Wild Card one and done banner.

This was over as soon as the Cubs signed Gimenez, apparently.

Offering the most money also helped.

 

I look forward to opening day when we raise our “3rd place in the Yu Darvish sweepstakes” banner along with our AL Wild Card one and done banner.

 

I swear to God if they consider losing a play-in game as an accomplishment to celebrate I am going to lose my ****ing ****.

I swear to God if they consider losing a play-in game as an accomplishment to celebrate I am going to lose my ****ing ****.

The 10 year reunion in 2027 is going to be lit.

 

The 10 year reunion in 2027 is going to be lit.

 

I would laugh if I didn't fully expect it.

 

So you side with the billionaire owners? Not me

I side with the fans who have to pay over twenty bucks for a beer and a dog. 

Spineless for the Twins to say they were in on Darvish and come up with nothing. I prefer Ryan telling us they are trying to do something but be more vague about it.

I'm not sure what you mean by some of this.

What do you mean when you say Napoli brings more balance? He's even more HR or nothing at this point than Vargas is.

You also mention league average. Vargas is actually slightly better than league average the last 3 years, while Napoli is well below league average the last 3 years.

What i mean is the line up is more LH and could use more RH in the lineuo to balance out against LHP. We didnt do as well against LHP last year. Napoli would be a RH that helps balance out the lineup.

Spineless for the Twins to say they were in on Darvish and come up with nothing. I prefer Ryan telling us they are trying to do something but be more vague about it.

Free agency is a zero sum game, because a player can only play for one team. The Twins made an offer, and Darvish took a different one. How is that spineless? What does any team have to show for their efforts when a player chooses to sign elsewhere?

Free agency is a zero sum game, because a player can only play for one team. The Twins made an offer, and Darvish took a different one. How is that spineless? What does any team have to show for their efforts when a player chooses to sign elsewhere?

Because assuming reports are accurate, Darvish accepted a weak offer.

Free agency is a zero sum game, because a player can only play for one team. The Twins made an offer, and Darvish took a different one. How is that spineless? What does any team have to show for their efforts when a player chooses to sign elsewhere?

Because i can see what he did sign for and we could and should have easily offered that to Darvish and didnt. Meaning he was low balled and Yu took the first market rate offer he was given. Spineless to feed us BS all offseason and to lowball the offer and say...we tried.....we didnt even offer near expected market value that others were saying he should get. If course were not going to sign him and we have a spineless front office for it.

 

If they came out and said we are offing Darvish a 6 year contract and Darvish waited for a club to match...fine Darvish didnt want to be here. But that wasnt the case. He wanted a sixth year and we all new he would ask and eventually get. And our front office new it and kept telling us a line if bull that we are all in on Darvish.

 

SPINELESS.

 

Ps. I dont enjoy being lied to. As a fan it makes me distrust. The front office. My distrust just jumped a lot today.

Edited February 10, 20188 yr by Brandon

 

big assumption that Sano can play 3rd for 90 games. He has just begun conditioning and has the potential for a suspension this season.

If the option is bench bat or additional utility player, Nunez would be my preference because his bat is decent. Essentially he extends the bench by providing both.

Between Escobar and Adrianza, they should be able to cover third if Sano can't do it. It's not a perfect situation but it could get you to July and then you make a trade if you're in contention.

 

Because i can see what he did sign for and we could and should have easily offered that to Darvish and didnt. Meaning he was low balled and Yu took the first market rate offer he was given. Spineless to feed us BS all offseason and to lowball the offer and say...we tried.....we didnt even offer near expected market value that others were saying he should get. If course were not going to sign him and we have a spineless front office for it.

If they came out and said we are offing Darvish a 6 year contract and Darvish waited for a club to match...fine Darvish didnt want to be here. But that wasnt the case. He wanted a sixth year and we all new he would ask and eventually get. And our front office new it and kept telling us a line if bull that we are all in on Darvish.

SPINELESS.

Ps. I dont enjoy being lied to. As a fan it makes me distrust. The front office. My distrust just jumped a lot today.

 

Whatever. I don't see how offering a guy a contract means they lied about pursuing him.

Whatever. I don't see how offering a guy a contract means they lied about pursuing him.

They offered a contract they new would be beat. Thus no real effort.

Disappointing. Any chance we can get two of Arrieta/Lynn/Cobb?

 

They offered a contract they new would be beat. Thus no real effort.

 

Right. Sigh.

They offered a contract they new would be beat. Thus no real effort.

Does that also apply to the front offices in (at least) Milwaukee, Los Angeles, Houston, Texas, and New York? Berardino is reporting that the Twins offer was five years and at least $100 million. That would have easily been the largest free agent contract in franchise history, hardly spineless, and hardly a lie. Even when you play to win, sometimes you just get beat.

Right. Sigh.

What makes you say they knew their offer would be beat?

Does that also apply to the front offices in (at least) Milwaukee, Los Angeles, Houston, Texas, and New York? Berardino is reporting that the Twins offer was five years and at least $100 million. That would have easily been the largest free agent contract in franchise history, hardly spineless, and hardly a lie. Even when you play to win, sometimes you just get beat.

LA, Houston, NYY and Texas have all made or won World Series in the last 10 years and have made plenty of other BIG splashes in the meantime in FA and trades.

 

Also I know a lot of rangers fans who are pissed as well fwiw.

 

The Brewers are a bad example (or good example actually) since they haven’t won jack either in forever. So yeah, I would say they have failed pretty significantly as well!

 

(But at least they have made some aggressive moves over the years)

 

If the Twins did anything over the last 25 years to truly (go for it) it would be easier to let it slide.

 

Also the Yankees brought in Stanton and the Astros brought in Cole already this offseason...

Edited February 11, 20188 yr by DaveW

Does that also apply to the front offices in (at least) Milwaukee, Los Angeles, Houston, Texas, and New York?

Yes.

 

If you have followed this story from the beginning, then you should know that those big market teams were not making serious offers. They admitted as much.

What makes you say they knew their offer would be beat?

When i go here. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/2017-18-top-50-mlb-free-agents-with-predictions.html

 

These guys do a great job of determing likely salary based off of comps. Darvish signed for 34 million less then projected. Minnesota would know this should be close to what he should get and they said they were in it for Darvish. Obviously their offer was even lower and they didnt budge as im sure Darvish made a last lap before agreeing with the Cubs.

LA, Houston, NYY and Texas have all made or won World Series in the last 10 years and have made plenty of other BIG splashes in the meantime in FA and trades.

 

Also I know a lot of rangers fans who are pissed as well fwiw.

 

The Brewers are a bad example (or good example actually) since they haven’t won jack either in forever. So yeah, I would say they have failed pretty significantly as well!

 

(But at least they have made some aggressive moves over the years)

 

If the Twins did anything over the last 25 years to truly (go for it) it would be easier to let it slide.

 

Also the Yankees brought in Stanton and the Astros brought in Cole already this offseason...

I'm not sure what past teams have to do with this offseason. Terry Ryan isn't the GM anymore.

 

And the Twins have made some good moves to shore up what was a pretty lousy bullpen. I'm almost certain they'll do something to address starting pitching. Darvish didn't work out, and that's a bummer, but he's not the only pitcher on the market, nor are they unable to make a trade or two.

Yes.

 

If you have followed this story from the beginning, then you should know that those big market teams were not making serious offers. They admitted as much.

Got it. All of these teams are run by liars. Paranoia wins the day.

When i go here. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/2017-18-top-50-mlb-free-agents-with-predictions.html

 

These guys do a great job of determing likely salary based off of comps. Darvish signed for 34 million less then projected. Minnesota would know this should be close to what he should get and they said they were in it for Darvish. Obviously their offer was even lower and they didnt budge as im sure Darvish made a last lap before agreeing with the Cubs.

The Twins offer came in under some projections. Darvish signed for less than the prognosticators prognosticated. Therefore, the Twins...chickened out? I don't follow that reasoning.

I look forward to opening day when we raise our “3rd place in the Yu Darvish sweepstakes” banner along with our AL Wild Card one and done banner.

Why get upset about it? Would it have been nice to have Darvish, absolutely now we can look forward to seeing the kids compete for the rotation this year.