Michael Rand wrote about the Twins playoff hopes changing since Jul 30.

 

http://www.startribune.com/twins-played-their-way-again-into-a-fun-awkward-position/439423223/

 

 

They absolutely should be looking at bullpen arms.

no. I don't think they will be buying.

Did Verlander pass though waivers ;0

 

 

Did Verlander pass though waivers ;0

 

yes

Here's MLBTR keeping track of players who have cleared waivers:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/08/players-that-have-cleared-revocable-waivers.html

 

Only reliever right now is AJ Ramos, and no realistic SP yet.

 

MLBTR had another article about the Braves putting Jim Johnson and R.A. Dickey on waivers, and I didn't hear about a claim on them yet, so perhaps the above list needs an update?

They absolutely should add a bullpen arm (or two), I wonder if they have the guts to do it.

 

They absolutely should add a bullpen arm (or two), I wonder if they have the guts to do it.

 

It would create interesting discussions around the league, I'd think, and elsewhere, about their decisiveness. 

My first reaction is absolutely not!!! Let the young players play, especially the bullpen guys. They need to see what they have. Yet on the other hand, its beneficial for all of the young players, both position and pitching wise, to learn how to win. 

 

Let August play out, one week of good play doesn't mean much.

 

yes

Well there you go our new closer?

 

Well there you go our new closer?

 

yes, meaning he passed through waivers without anyone claiming him. No one wants that albatross contract without getting a discount. 

 

yes, meaning he passed through waivers without anyone claiming him. No one wants that albatross contract without getting a discount. 

I'd take Verlander and his current contract over Jake Arrieta's and his next contract

 

yes, meaning he passed through waivers without anyone claiming him. No one wants that albatross contract without getting a discount. 

We can trade Reed, Slegers Curtis and Garver and anybody else we don't plan on calling up

 

Let August play out, one week of good play doesn't mean much.

They made multiple trades based on one bad week of play leading up to the deadline...

 

yes, meaning he passed through waivers without anyone claiming him. No one wants that albatross contract without getting a discount. 

With Verlander, the salary is part of it.  But he also has a full no-trade clause, which means he can refuse any waiver claim as well as any trade.

 

But I also don't think the Tigers are going to give him up for nothing, unless they knew he was hurt (and teams don't get to review medicals before making a waiver claim). Assuming he's healthy, the Tigers would probably want to eat some salary and get good prospects in return right now. If not, they can hold on to him and try again next year (competing themselves and/or shopping Verlander again).

 

With Verlander, the salary is part of it.  But he also has a full no-trade clause, which means he can refuse any waiver claim as well as any trade.

 

But I also don't think the Tigers are going to give him up for nothing, unless they knew he was hurt (and teams don't get to review medicals before making a waiver claim). Assuming he's healthy, the Tigers would probably want to eat some salary and get good prospects in return right now. If not, they can hold on to him and try again next year (competing themselves and/or shopping Verlander again).

Is Kate part of it also? that could help sell tickets on the chance she might show up?

(I started this Verlander talk as a joke)

Twins bullpen the last 30 days:

 

3.77 ERA
9.2 K/9
2.2 BB/9
50% GB rate
11% SwStr rate

 

I'd look into relief help, but I'd be careful about who it displaces, too. Busenitz? Sure. Pressly? No way.

There is an article on FG (and lots of comments) on trading Verland, btw...

There is no doubt I would make a call on Verlander and see how much salary they would eat and what their demands were for prospects. He would definitely upgrade the rotation and we have Mauer's salary coming off the books next year. Would probably be safer than giving Arrieta a huge contract. Summer is so much more enjoyable when the Twins are relevant in August!

Purge what you can from the 40 man, call up some young arms, and let it fly.

 

If they make the postseason, great. If they don't, oh well, it was probably fun to watch anyway.

 

Is Kate part of it also? that could help sell tickets on the chance she might show up?

(I started this Verlander talk as a joke)

You have to put an emoji  or two so people know you are joking :lol:

But you can't post too many

 

We can trade Reed, Slegers Curtis and Garver and anybody else we don't plan on calling up

 

I don't really get the angst about anyone on the list other than Garver. Reed has had health problems and still hasn't been able to pitch on consecutive days this year. Curtiss has moved really quick through the system for a 6th round pick, getting through 7 levels in less than 3 years of playing time. Slegers is basically a non-prospect. The Garver thing is frustrating and inexplicable, other than he won't get any catching time in MLB with Gimenez around. I won't get upset about the others until September passes by.

Edited August 9, 20179 yr by Taildragger8791

 

They made multiple trades based on one bad week of play leading up to the deadline...

One bad week,? They were 10-15 in July (when it mattered before deadline)  and and slightly under .500 in June.  With their disparaging run differential, and their youth, I think it was wise to sell marginal players for youth.

 

I also think it's incredible how up and down we in this forum get after every win or loss (I know I shouldn't be as I've been on this forum for a while).  We are buyers now?  Crazy.

 

Do we really think this team is going to hit to cover up for our terrible pitching?  I don't.  

 

I would like it if they did.

 

One bad week,? They were 10-15 in July (when it mattered before deadline)  and and slightly under .500 in June.  With their disparaging run differential, and their youth, I think it was wise to sell marginal players for youth.

I was simply commenting on the fact that they bought (Garcia), then a week later sold (Garcia and Kintzler).  The FO seemed to believe that something changed in that week, even if you disagree.

 

I was simply commenting on the fact that they bought (Garcia), then a week later sold (Garcia and Kintzler).  The FO seemed to believe that something changed in that week, even if you disagree.

The thing that changed is the two teams above them won every single game they played and the Twins won 1.

Edited August 9, 20179 yr by Loosey

 

 The Garver thing is frustrating and inexplicable, other than he won't get any catching time in MLB with Gimenez around. I won't get upset about the others until September passes by.

Garver will get his chance. It just shows that they really like Gimenez as the backup, probably more for his intangible leadership skills, more than his physical skills. I'll bet Mikes monthly salary that Garver will be up before the end of the year. Does a few weeks sooner really make any difference???

Someone should do a chart of keywords "Twins"/"Buy" and "Twins"/"Sell" on Twitter or TD the last month to see what the rollercoaster looks like.  It'll be like the High Roller at ValleyFair... Up-down-up-down-up-down with a few small thrills in-between.

Much ado about nothing. They traded what one member called a pig with lipstick to the Yankees for 2 pitching prospects. In the other 2 trades, they moved 2 board scapegoats for 2 additional pitching prospects. We net 4 total pitching prospects, 3 of which are lefties, which is signficant, and are still in the hunt.

 

The big news is we didn't have to move the Romero, Jorge, Gonsalves, Stewart, or Thorpe-types.

Edited August 9, 20179 yr by howieramone2

I don't think the Twins should be buyers at this point, but I think they should definitely be spoilers any way they can,

 

I don't think the Twins should be buyers at this point, but I think they should definitely be spoilers any way they can,

 

"For the next Twins promotional giveaway, we are excited to announce that we will be giving away the leaked scripts of the next season of Game of Thrones to the first 10,000 fans"