Pretty interested to see where Heimlich gets taken.

 

Pretty interested to see where Heimlich gets taken.

 

KLAW says he hears he's off most (many?) boards now.

I can't blame the decision makers for wanting to save some money when there clearly isn't one guy they love at #1. We have been hearing multiple names for months now. Hopefully it works out

 

The devil is going to be in the details. If their strategy gets money that allows them to sign some prospect considerably up the chart from 35 and 37, you can argue that they did both: mitigate risk by getting more talented guys AND chased upside by getting higher quality players. 

I understand this strategy, but it sounds like the guys after picks #20-25 have a sharp drop-off in talent. Will there be higher quality players there?

Edited June 12, 20179 yr by Danchat

PWDK?

 

Here's a little B Mac over optimistic scenario to break up the anxiety over his selection at 1-1

 

Drafted 1-1 by Twins

CWS Game 1 - 3-5 Double, 3 RBI's GW HR in 6-5 win

CWS Game 2 - 7 IP 8K's 0BB 0ER, 2-5 2RBI's in 6-2 win

CWS Game 3 - 1-6 GW Walk-off Single in 4-3 win

CWS Game 4 - 3-5 HR 3R in 7-2 win

CWS Game 5 - 7 IP 6K's 0BB 2ER, 2-3 2IBB HR 3RBI's in 6-3 Champions

 

Reports to Ft. Myers

Bats clean-up for remainder of season slashes 312/382/486

Miracle make 2nd half playoffs and win FSL Playoffs

 

2018 - Begins at Chattanooga

Pitching Line

W  L  ERA  RAvg IP      BB SO  WHIP  H9  BB9  SO9  SO/W
10  3 2.13   2.31  101.1 44 121 1.036  5.4  3.9    10.7   2.75

Slashes  .303/.365/.469

 

2019 Mauer Retires...McKay takes over at 1B

 

Rotation:

Berrios

Otani

Gonsalves

McKay

Gibson (the guy just won't go away)

 

Now back to our previously scheduled debate on who is the best 1:1

Another honest question for a mid market team.

 

If you sign a college guy, wouldn't you likely have them through age 29-30 and a good portion of their prime. Sign a high school guy who might come up at 20-21 and you have them until 27-28 losing a few years of their prime. Is it a consideration?

 

PWDK?

person with direct knowledge.

KLAW says he hears he's off most (many?) boards now.

Yeah, I know. Character/public relations, etc. is important, and drafting a registered sex offender and convicted child molester is the opposite of that.

 

He is a 2nd/3rd round talent, but is that level of talent worth the headache and backlash? I think it isn't, and teams that have taken him off their draft boards would agree (more than 3, I think). But there are probably a few teams out there that are viewing this as an opportunity to add a decent prospect for a discounted rate. I say that without knowing his $ demands.

To me, getting a #3 (or worse) pitcher at 1:1 IS a failure. So, I don't really care who has the higher floor.

Even the Twins can afford to get a 3 or 4 in free agency. And those guys can be gotten in the 2nd or 3rd round.

The only way the Twins can get a 1 or really good 2 is through the draft.

So, for me it would come down to odds that a guy can be a 2 or better.

 

My board would be:

 

1)Greene

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2)Gore

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3)Wright

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4)Lewis

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5)McKay as a hitter.

 

I wouldn't have McKay as a pitcher in my top 30.

I'm out on Wright too. His arm action and lower body strength looks like injury risk Greene or Lewis.

I don't. It would be pointless to try and work Greene this way. He seems locked in at #2.

 

They still might take him (though it's unlikely), but it does seem they are shopping around for the best deal of value for cost. Probably not the worst strategy when there is no clear cut #1.

I don't advocate the following at all, but am throwing it out there to measure opinions in the room:

 

What if the Twins take someone who will likely be an expensive sign at 1-1 (Greene, let's say) and hold firm on an asking price we'll below slot? If he signs, excellent. If he doesn't, they get a high pick and the entailed bonus money next year, when there's likely more talent atop the draft. Again, I don't think they should do this. Just a thought.

Twins need pitching. Wouldn't be disappointed if they take pitchers for first 10 rounds!

 

I don't advocate the following at all, but am throwing it out there to measure opinions in the room:

What if the Twins take someone who will likely be an expensive sign at 1-1 (Greene, let's say) and hold firm on an asking price we'll below slot? If he signs, excellent. If he doesn't, they get a high pick and the entailed bonus money next year, when there's likely more talent atop the draft. Again, I don't think they should do this. Just a thought.

 

passing on a pick is a bad idea. Not one former member of a FO is for it on the internet, not one. You can't afford to punt on 1:1. 

 

what if the draft next year is bad again? What if they guys you really want get hurt? 

 

I don't advocate the following at all, but am throwing it out there to measure opinions in the room:

What if the Twins take someone who will likely be an expensive sign at 1-1 (Greene, let's say) and hold firm on an asking price we'll below slot? If he signs, excellent. If he doesn't, they get a high pick and the entailed bonus money next year, when there's likely more talent atop the draft. Again, I don't think they should do this. Just a thought.

It certainly works in theory. It's what I think they should of done with Blake Rutherford last year. It get's a little tricky though because you have to consider your reputation with agents and players. You don't want to burn those bridges without a good reason. The Astro's got a lot of bad press about low balling Aiken, but they were later shown to be right.

I would say when drafting 1-1 it's much better to have a deal in place before the draft. You have plenty of time to do it.

 

I don't advocate the following at all, but am throwing it out there to measure opinions in the room:

What if the Twins take someone who will likely be an expensive sign at 1-1 (Greene, let's say) and hold firm on an asking price we'll below slot? If he signs, excellent. If he doesn't, they get a high pick and the entailed bonus money next year, when there's likely more talent atop the draft. Again, I don't think they should do this. Just a thought.

Because you'd lose the value of the pick. Let's say Twins take Greene and say, sign for 2m less then slot. Even if he does that, he's not going to agree until 5 minutes before the deadline which gives you very little time to get that 2m spread to other signees. And if he pulls out after you've allocated those dollars, you lose your picks next year. This almost happened to the Astros with Jacob Nix.

Edited June 12, 20179 yr by gunnarthor

Is anyone else having a problem getting the draft to stream? I can't get it to play. Coverage started at 6 pm ET right?

 

Is anyone else having a problem getting the draft to stream? I can't get it to play. Coverage started at 6 pm ET right?

I've had problems with my stream. The page will randomly refresh back to the mlb.com home page

 

I've had problems with my stream. The page will randomly refresh back to the mlb.com home page

Thanks. Nice to know I'm not crazy. Or too crazy at least.

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/210960834/v1469243883/live-2017-mlb-draft-day-1 is my link but it's in and out. Adobe flash doens't like to work with this and Twins Daily both running.  ****ing TD.

As intriguing as Greene is, isn't anyone skeptical about going 1.1 on a pitcher that only threw 28 innings?  I mean, aside from having a lightning bolt for a right arm, what else is there possibly to glean from that?  

 

I realize that minimal wear & tear on his arm could eventually be a good thing, but still...

Edited June 12, 20179 yr by Doubles

 

Oh I know exactly what they meant but if the team takes someone they don't identify as the BPA in order to hopefully get a draftee faller then yes it's being cheap.  And they better spend their allotment (14,156,800) and then a little more as they can go up to 5% over (so ~14.8M) before they're penalized a draft pick.

 

That's not being cheap, that's using a common strategy. It's saying that you see little difference between two guys at the top and one saves you the money to get something better down the line. It's not cheap, it's strategy.

 

The only way you could accuse the Twins of being cheap is if at the end of the day they don't spend their draft money. That seems unlikely. You can disagree with the choices they make but calling them cheap shows an ignorance of how the MLB draft works.

Yeah, I'm not too upset about passing on Greene. I wanted a college pitcher so I'll be ok with McKay. I might want three college pitchers, depending on how the draft falls.

 

Is anyone else having a problem getting the draft to stream? I can't get it to play. Coverage started at 6 pm ET right?

6:07 ct.

 

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/210960834/v1469243883/live-2017-mlb-draft-day-1 is my link but it's in and out. Adobe flash doens't like to work with this and Twins Daily both running.  ****ing TD.

That was it. If I run them on separate browsers it's fine.

mlbtv is streaming something on McKay right now

Keith Law source says teams expect Lewis to go 1

 

Keith Law source says teams expect Lewis to go 1

Man, I hope he's wrong.

BA's last mock - http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/2017-mlb-mock-draft-5-0/#cLWih6zodqz7Vg26.97

 

Also have the Twins taking Lewis. Gad. We're bring Boras into our locker room and not drafting a pitcher?

Edited June 12, 20179 yr by gunnarthor

Sounds like we're going Lewis per Gleeman and Law I'm pretty excited.