McKay, if I'm understanding what I've read accurately, is neither the best pitcher nor hitter in the draft...and we expect he'll go first overall? Hmmm... I don't understand this new fascination with the mythica two-way player. I am as intrigued by Shohei as anyone, but even he is probably not destined to hit on a regular basis in MLB.

Go with Greene, please.

 

Statistically, he may be the best at both.

 

I think all of them are a bit of a crap shoot, and I haven't seen any of them pitch.   Given it's year one of the new crew, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt (there is a one year limit on this )

If the Twins do not draft a pitcher first overall, i am going to act a fool. 

Have the Twins drafted a Boras client with their first pick before?

 

Have the Twins drafted a Boras client with their first pick before?

Yep, he didn't sign. Travis Lee was the last one, I believe. But we also took Belcher 1/1 and he didn't sign either. I very much doubt that the new regime is going to want Boras clients in the locker room trying to get Sano and Buxton to change agents. 

 

Statistically, he may be the best at both.

 

I think all of them are a bit of a crap shoot, and I haven't seen any of them pitch.   Given it's year one of the new crew, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt (there is a one year limit on this )

Could be true, but stats should be immaterial in a first year player draft, imo. We should be evaluating who has the best chance to become the top pitcher in the group. Personally, I don't think we should care who has the best line to this point. Best tools and makeup are what we should be looking at. So far, I think that's Greene. 

Lewis would save money, for sure. His swing has too many holes for my liking. We would really have to nail the next few picks for me to be ok with this.

 

Lewis would save money, for sure. His swing has too many holes for my liking. We would really have to nail the next few picks for me to be ok with this.

Is Romero the pitcher that's super talented but had a legal issue?

 

How would people feel about Lewis at 1 and Carlson/Romero at 35?

If we take a high school player 1-1 I really hope it's Gore. I just have a feeling from reading everything on him and the videos that I've seen that he will be the best player from the 1st round in 3-5 years.

PA "So, do the Twins take Hunter Greene?"

 

LaVelle E Neal: "Nah, I don't think so."

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Is Romero the pitcher that's super talented but had a legal issue?

 

How would people feel about Lewis at 1 and Carlson/Romero at 35?

I'd be against that.  A guy like Carlson or Romero or Enlow might fall on their own. If we're going to try and mess with the draft, we have to aim for a guy like Baz or Adell to fall. I'm fairly confident that a top 15ish guy on some list will fall to 35 independently.  Buehler did it a few years ago, Hudson did it last year. 

Where would you rank the prospective #1 picks (Greene, Wright, McKay, Gore, Lewis) among current Twins prospects?

 

Where would you rank the prospective #1 picks (Greene, Wright, McKay, Gore, Lewis) among current Twins prospects?

Greene, Wright, and McKay would all be #1. Lewis would be #2 behind Gordon.  Gore I could see either way.

 

Where would you rank the prospective #1 picks (Greene, Wright, McKay, Gore, Lewis) among current Twins prospects?

 

Number 1. If they aren't number 1, it was a bad draft. the 1:1 pick usually is in the top 25-40 overall in MiLB the day they are picked.

Wright or Gore for me. I'd be pretty excited if Greene is picked as that would mean he was impressive when he was at Target Field recently and the front office believes in his secondary stuff. I do not want McKay unless he is signing for well under slot.

 

Number 1. If they aren't number 1, it was a bad draft. the 1:1 pick usually is in the top 25-40 overall in MiLB the day they are picked.

 

Greene, Wright, and McKay would all be #1. Lewis would be #2 behind Gordon.  Gore I could see either way.

 

Thanks for  the thoughts. Just curious about people's opinions. My personal feeling is that Gordon has done enough this season at AA to solidify his position as the Twins top prospect even after selection 1.1.

 

I suspect/hope though that both #35 and #37 would be in the Twins top 10.  

 

 

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Number 1. If they aren't number 1, it was a bad draft. the 1:1 pick usually is in the top 25-40 overall in MiLB the day they are picked.

I get what you're saying, but the way Gordon has been hitting this year, he might be a top-25 prospect right now. In fact, if Gordon was a college junior and had a 1.200 OPS in the SEC (which is roughly what his current 153 wRC+ in AA would translate to), I think he would be the no doubt 1-1 pick ahead of McKay.

 

Thanks for  the thoughts. Just curious about people's opinions. My personal feeling is that Gordon has done enough this season at AA to solidify his position as the Twins top prospect even after selection 1.1.

 

I suspect/hope though that both #35 and #37 would be in the Twins top 10.  

If he keeps hitting like he has been so far this year, I tend to agree with you.

 

Thanks for  the thoughts. Just curious about people's opinions. My personal feeling is that Gordon has done enough this season at AA to solidify his position as the Twins top prospect even after selection 1.1.

 

I suspect/hope though that both #35 and #37 would be in the Twins top 10.  

Gordon is probably a top 30-40 prospect right now and we'll probably see that represented in the midseason updates that come out.  Greene, Wright and McKay will all be top 20 prospects. I think Lewis will be in the 40-60 range. Gore could be anywhere from 20-60, IMHO, depending on who is viewing him.

 

Whoever we get at 35/37 will certainly be in the Twins top 10. If we get lucky and someone falls, we might get a top 100 type at 35, although unlikely.  

 

Jeremy Nygaard laid out an interesting scenario in which the Twins take Royce Lewis #1 in a Twitter thread. 

 

https://twitter.com/jeremynygaard/status/873932994616197121

 

The way he lays it out, the Twins would end up with a top end talent, also get a toolsy prep position player (which is something they do) and save a ton of money for another big pick with their 35th or 37th picks. It's interesting.

This might actually be what happens tonight. Coming down to $$$ between McKay and Lewis. Though it might not be the names we'd all choose, this is the strategy fans have long clamored for.

 

Is Romero the pitcher that's super talented but had a legal issue?

 

How would people feel about Lewis at 1 and Carlson/Romero at 35?

 

Romero was kicked off the Houston team twice. Luke Heimlich is the pitcher with a legal issue - he's a registered sex offender - he's not going any time soon. 

This might actually be what happens tonight. Coming down to $$$ between McKay and Lewis. Though it might not be the names we'd all choose, this is the strategy fans have long clamored for.

Except the rules are different, and seven teams pick a second time before the Twins....

 

I'd be against that.  A guy like Carlson or Romero or Enlow might fall on their own. If we're going to try and mess with the draft, we have to aim for a guy like Baz or Adell to fall. I'm fairly confident that a top 15ish guy on some list will fall to 35 independently.  Buehler did it a few years ago, Hudson did it last year. 

If they could pull off Lewis at 1-1 and free up the money to get Baz to drop at 35... that's impressive. 

 

Very impressive.

Please, not Lewis.  Want pitching, more pitching, and even more pitching.

 

 

 

If they could pull off Lewis at 1-1 and free up the money to get Baz to drop at 35... that's impressive. 

 

Very impressive.

 

How likely could that happen when there are 7 teams with 2 picks before the Twins at 35? And with the bonus amounts more uniform than previous years?

 

It sounds great on paper, but hard to pull it off in real life.  

 

How likely could that happen when there are 7 teams with 2 picks before the Twins at 35? And with the bonus amounts more uniform than previous years?

 

It sounds great on paper, but hard to pull it off in real life.  

 

I've been saying how hard it would be this year... yet everyone wants to talk about it.

 

Then I suggest it's possible and everyone is like, "Nah... can't happen."

 

I'd worry about the Rays cutting a deal, but not the other teams. Reds take Greene, they aren't banking much. The rest of the teams don't have nearly the pool the Twins do.

Jeremy, do you have any idea what the price points are for any of these players?

 

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I'm really nervous about two-way players, but that's just my two cents without any supporting evidence.

 

How often do teams let two-way players both continue to pitch and then also play on the field? Never? To me that means you no longer have the kid you drafted.

I have to say, both Falvey and Levine seem like incredibly smart guys, and both have great track records.

 

While I've wanted Greene all along, I will trust what they do tonight. The time/effort they've put in obviously trumps anything any of us believe on here.

 

I'm really nervous about two-way players, but that's just my two cents without any supporting evidence.

How often do teams let two-way players both continue to pitch and then also play on the field? Never? To me that means you no longer have the kid you drafted.

 

Dave Cameron wrote about this today on FanGraphs... 

"The Siren Call of the Two-Way Star"

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-siren-call-of-the-two-way-star/