Because he's good, and I want to keep good players.

But if you are not getting a discount, then why extend? With no discount the team takes ALL the risk.

If no discount, just sign him when he hits FA for the same price.

 

But if you are not getting a discount, then why extend? With no discount the team takes ALL the risk.
If no discount, just sign him when he hits FA for the same price.

 

Well, he could sign with someone else.....there is that risk.

 

Well, he could sign with someone else.....there is that risk.

 

The biggest risk.

Well, he could sign with someone else.....there is that risk.

If he's willing to sign with another team for same or less money, then why would he be open to an extension?

 

If he's willing to sign with another team for same or less money, then why would he be open to an extension?

 

you asked why you'd sign him to an extension if you were the Twins.......I'm not opining on anything about Dozier.

you asked why you'd sign him to an extension if you were the Twins.......I'm not opining on anything about Dozier.

And if he's willing to sign an extension at full price then he'd also be willing to sign as a FA at full price.

Therefore, I don't understand how you are mitigating the risk of him leaving by offering a full price extension.

When you approach him about a full price extension, he's either interested in staying in MN, or he's not. Approaching him about a full price extension only keeps him in the scenario where he's open to staying- so you haven't gained anything. In that scenario he's open to staying via FA as well. The scenario where he's not open to staying, you lose him whether you approach him or not.

 

The only alternate scenario I can think of is where he was open to staying, but then gets bitter that he wasn't offered an extension so he changes his mind.

Dozier doesn't seem like the petty, bitter type of guy, so I'd place small odds on that scenario.

 

And if he's willing to sign an extension at full price then he'd also be willing to sign as a FA at full price.
Therefore, I don't understand how you are mitigating the risk of him leaving by offering a full price extension.
When you approach him about a full price extension, he's either interested in staying in MN, or he's not. Approaching him about a full price extension only keeps him in the scenario where he's open to staying- so you haven't gained anything. In that scenario he's open to staying via FA as well. The scenario where he's not open to staying, you lose him whether you approach him or not.

The only alternate scenario I can think of is where he was open to staying, but then gets bitter that he wasn't offered an extension so he changes his mind.
Dozier doesn't seem like the petty, bitter type of guy, so I'd place small odds on that scenario.

 

You see no difference between signing him, and not signing him, on the likelihood you can sign him in the future? We'll just disagree. I don't care one way or the other if they sign him at this point, since they won't trade him.

You see no difference between signing him, and not signing him, on the likelihood you can sign him in the future? We'll just disagree. I don't care one way or the other if they sign him at this point, since they won't trade him.

I'm saying I don't see enough to justify paying full price.

Obviously anything can happen in FA, but its pretty likely that if he was willing to sign an extension he'd also be willing to come back in FA if we match any offer.

A lot of talk about resigning Dozier. IMO if we lock up Sano and Vargas continues to hit, you trade Dozier ASAP for pitching.

I like Brian Dozier. I like him a lot. If the Twins magically spring into contention and acquire an arm without trading Brian, even better. You just keep the guy and let him walk if it helps you win baseball games and reach the postseason through 2018.

 

But extend him? No, man.

Something to consider is that if the Twins start trading veterans like Ervin and Dozier for pitching will Sano want to sign? Will he feel that the Twins are committed to winning? He's going to get paid no matter what. But he may feel that his best chance for true greatness is to be on a perrenial contender as opposed to a perrenial also ran. Questions only he can really answer. So, I think the Twins have to either extend Sano before making those trades or sit down and talk to him about the direction of the team.