Rotation "Set"

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Well, looks like Berrios may get the 5th spot after all. If Seth's tweet about May is correct. Sucks for May if he needs TJS.

https://youtu.be/6mB0TjmvOqk

[Twinsbar107]

 

https://youtu.be/6mB0TjmvOqk

Thanks, didn't see that. Will have to watch it after work.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

This is why you keep as much depth as possible as long as you can. Bummer for May, but perhaps he was broken for a while.

yep, also why a bunch of managers, coaches, GMs and certain fans aren't big fans of the WBC

[Jham]

 

https://youtu.be/6mB0TjmvOqk

 

Wow...  REALLY???!!

[Paul Pleiss]

With Trevor May likely headed for TJ, the Twins season continues to spiral into less than exciting territory. I keep myself entertained by obsessively following the Iditarod.

 

https://www.adn.com/section/outdoors-adventure/Iditarod/

 

Dogs are cute, and cold is in my blood. Seems like a great adventure.

[drjim]

yep, also why a bunch of managers, coaches, GMs and certain fans aren't big fans of the WBC

Not sure why WBC is the problem. Probably more he was pushing harder too early to try and earn a spot in the rotation.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Not sure why WBC is the problem. Probably more he was pushing harder too early to try and earn a spot in the rotation.

i worded that poorly. What I meant was that the WBC tends to push players harder faster than ST does which puts players, esp pitchers at more risk. It was against team USA, so maybe the competitive nature got the better of May here.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Wow... REALLY???!!

i know! Kinda weird. He was clearly shaken(who wouldn't be) but still oddly upbeat for having a serious injury.

[Paul Pleiss]

 

i worded that poorly. What I meant was that the WBC tends to push players harder faster than ST does which puts players, esp pitchers at more risk. It was against team USA, so maybe the competitive nature got the better of May here.

I don't know if you can blame WBC, or pitching in relief last year, or really anything in particular. UCL's break. Screws fall out all the time. The world's an imperfect place. I learned all that watching Breakfast Club. Go enjoy some brunch, pop in an 80's movie, and try to remember the glory that was the 1987 Twins where the Dazzle Man Dan Gladden's hair will always blow in the wind.

[ashbury]

These things tend to sort themselves out very quickly. What's the likelihood the Twins make it out of mid-May without one injury in the rotation? 50/50?

Any lottery numbers come to mind that you'd like to share, Nostradamus?

[KirbyDome89]

Welcome to the rotation Ryan Vogelsong...

 

I thought this was 2017 not 2013.....

[Winston Smith]

 

i worded that poorly. What I meant was that the WBC tends to push players harder faster than ST does which puts players, esp pitchers at more risk. It was against team USA, so maybe the competitive nature got the better of May here.

More likely it's a guy using his arm for something it wasn't intended for (throwing a baseball).

[beckmt]

Would guess Mejia wins the spot. Think the FO has things it wants Berrios to work on in AAA. Wonder if the weakness started last year with Trevor's back issues. Bad news, but still would like to follow the course, with the Rockies and Rangers both having rotations issues, would be a good time to make a good deal. Gibson looks like a fit for either of those clubs. You might get something of value.

[drjim]

Would guess Mejia wins the spot. Think the FO has things it wants Berrios to work on in AAA. Wonder if the weakness started last year with Trevor's back issues. Bad news, but still would like to follow the course, with the Rockies and Rangers both having rotations issues, would be a good time to make a good deal. Gibson looks like a fit for either of those clubs. You might get something of value.

You would trade Gibson because you might get something of value?

[beckmt]

You would trade Gibson because you might get something of value?

By the numbers

1. Will Gibson be here in 2019 (Unlikely)

2. Number of starters Twins have that are 2019 rotation starters(8).

3. Number of the 8 starters Twins have evaluated(0)

4. Number of these starters that will succeed in the major leagues(2-3)

5. Number of #1 and #2 starters likely to be available after 2017 - 2018 seasons(5+)

6. Number of current Twin starters need to be here after 2018. 1 - 2.

 

Yes, I would move any Twins starter to teams that have injury needs and are offering fair value in return.

 

Twins need to me ready to contend by 2019. Not doing proper evaluations will only slow the process.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

I don't know if you can blame WBC, or pitching in relief last year, or really anything in particular. UCL's break. Screws fall out all the time. The world's an imperfect place. I learned all that watching Breakfast Club. Go enjoy some brunch, pop in an 80's movie, and try to remember the glory that was the 1987 Twins where the Dazzle Man Dan Gladden's hair will always blow in the wind.

you're right, injuries happen. There's no way to know why for certain the timing of the injury happened or if things were different whether he might have never had the injury.

 

I'm not losing sleep over it

[drjim]

By the numbers

1. Will Gibson be here in 2019 (Unlikely)

2. Number of starters Twins have that are 2019 rotation starters(8).

3. Number of the 8 starters Twins have evaluated(0)

4. Number of these starters that will succeed in the major leagues(2-3)

5. Number of #1 and #2 starters likely to be available after 2017 - 2018 seasons(5+)

6. Number of current Twin starters need to be here after 2018. 1 - 2.

 

Yes, I would move any Twins starter to teams that have injury needs and are offering fair value in return.

 

Twins need to me ready to contend by 2019. Not doing proper evaluations will only slow the process.

I would argue Gibson has as much a shot being here in 2019 as anyone. And throwing them in the bigs before they are ready doesn't help the evaluation process.

 

Gibson is the last of the 4 vets in the rotation I would move out of the rotation at this time.

[DocBauer]

What I WANT...Berrios and Mejia BOTH in the rotation and doing well and building their future along with Duffy, who rebounds with better fastball control and looks like the guy we saw in 2016. Gibson rebounds in a big way, as does Hughes, and Santiago is released or traded for something and Santana is moved for something of substance.

 

Again...what I WANT.

 

Now...being practical...Molitor shouldn't have made such an absolute statement at this point...let's look at reality. And this DOES NOT diminish belief in any young prospect. Berrios struggled, is young, has options, and is still working out a few kinks. Mejia has looked good, has some potential, and less than a half season of AAA time. Meanwhile, a healthy Hughes and Gibson have the potential for a nice rebound. Santana is very solid. Santiago is at least OK.

 

So I open the season with veterans, hopefully healthy and pitching well, maybe even offering some trade value, OR, I just dump and trade them all and full my rotation with prospects and hope they are close enough to to be decimated or lose confidence and just deal with losing.

 

OR...again...work with the vets, hopefully win some games, maybe build some trade value, wait for opportunity to promote and plug in a prospect, and then go from there.

 

There is what I WANT...and then there is PRACTICAL for the time being.

[Paul Pleiss]

Waiting for 2019? The Twins window keeps getting pushed back. I hope this new regime is able to identify and develop talent to put the organization back on the map and make it into a perennial contender. Wishing and hoping and... waiting. That's Twins baseball.

[Kwak]

If I may cite all of the posters who have written "there's no such thing as a bad 1-year contract...", the Twins could search for a "veteran arm" who "has another year left".

[Paul Pleiss]

 

If I may cite all of the posters who have written "there's no such thing as a bad 1-year contract...", the Twins could search for a "veteran arm" who "has another year left".

I think the Braves already signed all of those guys.

[beckmt]

Waiting for 2019? The Twins window keeps getting pushed back. I hope this new regime is able to identify and develop talent to put the organization back on the map and make it into a perennial contender. Wishing and hoping and... waiting. That's Twins baseball.

I am trying to be a realist. Twins starting pitching needs to be revamped. If you think this starting rotation or any part of it other than Santana will produce a playoff victory, I will wonder want you are drinking. Not evaluating our prospects will just push the timeline out further. Let's move toward the goal of competing. Not doing this in small mistimed increments.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

I am trying to be a realist. Twins starting pitching needs to be revamped. If you think this starting rotation or any part of it other than Santana will produce a playoff victory, I will wonder want you are drinking. Not evaluating our prospects will just push the timeline out further. Let's move toward the goal of competing. Not doing this in small mistimed increments.

i agree, now is the time to get a good feel for Mejia and Berrios on the big league club. The problem is there's no one ready behind them to back fill them as most certainly 2-3 of the starting 5 will get injured and miss time. You can't count on bullpen games. You gotta have starters you can bring up from AAA with options.

 

They tried and failed to acquire one or more and failed. I'm sure the attempts will continue. As it is, who the starting 25 is on opening day, doesn't really matter as 2-3 of the starting 5 will get significantly injured yet. Berrios and Mejia will both get ample big league starts. Probably not the extent that I want, but 15+ for each of them I'm sure.

[beckmt]

i agree, now is the time to get a good feel for Mejia and Berrios on the big league club. The problem is there's no one ready behind them to back fill them as most certainly 2-3 of the starting 5 will get injured and miss time. You can't count on bullpen games. You gotta have starters you can bring up from AAA with options.

 

They tried and failed to acquire one or more and failed. I'm sure the attempts will continue. As it is, who the starting 25 is on opening day, doesn't really matter as 2-3 of the starting 5 will get significantly injured yet. Berrios and Mejia will both get ample big league starts. Probably not the extent that I want, but 15+ for each of them I'm sure.

Gonsalves should be at AAA, Romero,Jay,Thorpe,Stewart may well be in AA. The pipeline is there, some may not be ready until midseacon, but we need to find what we have. Duffey also may be in consideration and you have Vogelsong and Tempesh as depth options(that you hope you will not have to use). Now is the time, why stretch it out.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Any lottery numbers come to mind that you'd like to share, Nostradamus?

I had a suspicion something like this would happen to a starter but I was hoping it wasn't going to be May or Berrios.

 

Again, this is why teams try to enter the season with pitching depth. The Twins couldn't even make it to mid-March without losing a starter.

[FormerMinnasotan]

I hope at the least Berrios is up by May. But my gut says just like Matt Garza in '07 the Twins will keep Berrios in the minors till mid July while sending out Mejia and Duffey before him.

 

If Berrios is the best young pitcher potential wise we have seen since Garza shouldn't we treat Berrios differently and actually have a long term "plan" of having him and keeping him in the rotation?

 

Putting him in AAA doesn't do anything. Last year Berrios looked "ready" according to the Rochester staff last year, only to see Berrios continuously fail once joining the Twins. That is why Berrios needs to spend pretty much all season with the Twins and not the Red Wings. Because as of now it is clear that what was seen with the Twins was not corrected in Rochester. Keep in mind, Berrios has always been seen as a very driven and hard working prospect, so it would seem unlikely that any advice and coaching given to Berrios would have been ignored.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Gonsalves should be at AAA, Romero,Jay,Thorpe,Stewart may well be in AA. The pipeline is there, some may not be ready until midseacon, but we need to find what we have. Duffey also may be in consideration and you have Vogelsong and Tempesh as depth options(that you hope you will not have to use). Now is the time, why stretch it out.

Im with you, but I think the plan is to find out what you have at midseason. Id say at most one or two of Gonsalves, Romero,Jay,Thorpe,Stewart might be ready for a spot start emergency call up by midseason. Most likely none of them will be in 2017. Until 2 or 3 of these guys are ready can you thin out the veteran chaff

[Foghorn Leghorn]

Please no Hughes... please..