I did not tell him to look up the data.

No, I understand that.

 

I'm suggesting you should look up the data.

 

No, I understand that.

I'm suggesting you should look up the data.

 

Clearly I did look at the data as I pointed out that what I was talking about (RF) is not the same as whatever RZR is. In order to do that, I had to look at RZR.

The person who could not be bothered to look anything up is the person on the other end of the transaction. I looked at both metrics.

 

For some reason you are coming into this conversation with a bias without properly reading the thread. Not sure what the point is other than to drag it out. I think the two of us have already moved on.

Edited February 12, 20179 yr by Doomtints

That's the problem. You're supposed to be using the English statistic system.

imperial? Cuz the English use the metric system too

Clearly I did look at the data as I pointed out that what I was talking about (RF) is not the same as whatever RZR is. In order to do that, I had to look at RZR.

The person who could not be bothered to look anything up is the person on the other end of the transaction. I looked at both metrics.

 

For some reason you are coming into this conversation with a bias without properly reading the thread. Not sure what the point is other than to drag it out. I think the two of us have already moved on.

No, Chief is tracking my thinking quite well. I am not trying to be your adversary, but I did look up Adrianza's range after you suggested I do so, and I posted what I found. Instead of checking RF at Baseball Ref, I checked RZR at Fangraphs, which I thought you might appreciate. Adrianza's RZR was the best of 73 shortstops with 200 innings at shortstop since 2015. I did not type this but posted a JPEG instead, which you might not have seen. Obviously it's too few innings but it should tell us something.

 

So, I am expecting Adrianza to be a very good fielder. I am as curious as anyone about that Giants writer who described Adrianza as learning baseball from an in-flight magazine during his trip to the U. S. (or however he/she put it.) That was a great line and it makes you wonder what kind of entertainment the guy might provide when he's not fielding grounders.

 

That's the problem.  You're supposed to be using the English statistic system. 

Whitworth or go home.

The more and more I think about this  the more and more I expect Adrianza to be our SS this year. Polanco will be our super-sub and play 2nd, 3rd and SS. If Sano can't handle 3rd I would expect Polanco to end up there with Sano being the DH or start taking some grounders at 1st where I think he projects when Joe hangs them up...... or sooner.  

The more and more I think about this the more and more I expect Adrianza to be our SS this year. Polanco will be our super-sub and play 2nd, 3rd and SS. If Sano can't handle 3rd I would expect Polanco to end up there with Sano being the DH or start taking some grounders at 1st where I think he projects when Joe hangs them up...... or sooner.

I think that is expecting far too much of Molitor.

 

We were sold a very different Molitor than what we've seen on the field.

No, Chief is tracking my thinking quite well. I am not trying to be your adversary, but I did look up Adrianza's range after you suggested I do so, and I posted what I found. Instead of checking RF at Baseball Ref, I checked RZR at Fangraphs, which I thought you might appreciate. Adrianza's RZR was the best of 73 shortstops with 200 innings at shortstop since 2015. I did not type this but posted a JPEG instead, which you might not have seen. Obviously it's too few innings but it should tell us something.

 

So, I am expecting Adrianza to be a very good fielder. I am as curious as anyone about that Giants writer who described Adrianza as learning baseball from an in-flight magazine during his trip to the U. S. (or however he/she put it.) That was a great line and it makes you wonder what kind of entertainment the guy might provide when he's not fielding grounders.

im with you. I've been trying to get a handle on bbref's RF and i struggle with finding a grounding point with the stat. So these few references to it come with no meaning or context or link and so I rely on the stats that I am familiar with which indicate a very good fielder in a very small sample.

The more and more I think about this the more and more I expect Adrianza to be our SS this year. Polanco will be our super-sub and play 2nd, 3rd and SS. If Sano can't handle 3rd I would expect Polanco to end up there with Sano being the DH or start taking some grounders at 1st where I think he projects when Joe hangs them up...... or sooner.

Well you aren't going to bench Sano or Dozier very often if they are healthy. So, barring injury, how many starts is Polanco going to get in this scenario?

 

you compared Light to Chargois. It's very clear to me that Chargois would be claimed, just like you said.

It's still not clear to me Light would be claimed. He was traded for cash which makes him marginal to be claimed.

The biggest difference between the two in terms of woulda coulda shoulda is if Chargois were DFA'd I'd be pissed and with Light DFA'd I feel ambivalent

They aren't comparable players at this point in their careers.

Light will be claimed. . Chargois would be claimed. Any Twin on the 40 man not named Danny Santana will be claimed when designated for assignment 

That statement does not compare the 2 pitchers.  Light being traded for cash means the brain  wizards in Pittsburg thought  he would be claimed by a team that finished worse than they did. There is no marginal to be claimed.

 

Well you aren't going to bench Sano or Dozier very often if they are healthy. So, barring injury, how many starts is Polanco going to get in this scenario?

Depends on DH. If it is rotating between Vargas, Mauer Dozier, Polanco  and Sano/

Vargas plays against lefthanders ,  That leaves about 3/4 of the games for  Polamco

 

Light will be claimed. . Chargois would be claimed. Any Twin on the 40 man not named Danny Santana will be claimed when designated for assignment

That statement does not compare the 2 pitchers. Light being traded for cash means the brain wizards in Pittsburg thought he would be claimed by a team that finished worse than they did. There is no marginal to be claimed.

When you name two players in a sentence such as this, it is comparative. We compare players continually.

 

If Pittsburg was really worried Light would be claimed, why wasn't there a player traded instead of cash?

Edited February 12, 20179 yr by Sconnie

Depends on DH. If it is rotating between Vargas, Mauer Dozier, Polanco and Sano/

Vargas plays against lefthanders , That leaves about 3/4 of the games for Polamco

Like it or not, Sano is going to play 3B every day this year.

So you are going to put Polanco at DH 120 times?

When you name two players in a sentence such as this, it is comparative. We compare players continually.

 

If Pittsburg was really worried Light would be claimed, why wasn't there a player traded instead of cash?

I'm guessing the Twins would rather have the cash than the type of non prospect Light would return.

 

Pittsburgh may or may not have felt someone would claim Light, but the Twins probably just said, "first team to offer 50k, he's yours."

If Pittsburg was really worried Light would be claimed, why wasn't there a player traded instead of cash?

Because Pittsburgh said, "that's our offer, take it or leave it," and the Twins took it in preference to losing the player for nothing?

 

/ edit - ninja'd by Mr Brooks

Because Pittsburgh said, "that's our offer, take it or leave it," and the Twins took it in preference to losing the player for nothing?

 

/ edit - ninja'd by Mr Brooks

agreed w/ both posts, the point wasn't what a return on a trade should be for the Twins, more of the amount of interest from Pittsburgh. Will I give up cash to take a flier on Light? Sure. More? Probably not.

 

The Twins DFA'd him, so take return on a trade or risk losing him on waivers, not a big loss.

Edited February 12, 20179 yr by Sconnie

 

imperial? Cuz the English use the metric system too

 

I'm from Merica... we only use inches, feet, and horses... not this kilo crap.

Adrianza may become the Twins' regular SS, or he could just backup Polanco.

 

Last year, in 35 PA, Adrianza hit .353/.353/.500/.853 vs. LHP. Granted that's a very small sample size, but... Polanco also hits LHP well, a little better that RHP. 

 

I think Danny Santana will be released this spring, freeing up a needed roster spot. There'll be a lot of shifting around, depending on how the players do this spring. 

 

It's not over yet.

 

 

 

Because Pittsburgh said, "that's our offer, take it or leave it," and the Twins took it in preference to losing the player for nothing?

 

/ edit - ninja'd by Mr Brooks

 

I think we were hoping to get a JJ Hardy quality player for him. 

I'm from Merica... we only use inches, feet, and horses... not this kilo crap.

metric horsepower or imperial horsepower?

No, I understand that.

 

I'm suggesting you should look up the data.

and share it with us with context

Edited February 12, 20179 yr by Sconnie

 

When you name two players in a sentence such as this, it is comparative. We compare players continually.

If Pittsburg was really worried Light would be claimed, why wasn't there a player traded instead of cash?

 

Actually per MLB   "Minnesota Twins traded RHP Pat Light to Pittsburgh Pirates for Player To Be Named Later." Which would suggest either they are still trying to agree on a prospect or agree to a cash transaction. I have not seen anything suggesting there has  been a resolution either way.

 

Well you aren't going to bench Sano or Dozier very often if they are healthy. So, barring injury, how many starts is Polanco going to get in this scenario?

 

 

Like it or not, Sano is going to play 3B every day this year.
So you are going to put Polanco at DH 120 times?

 

As the super sub position he won't play DH at all unless something unforeseen happens.

 

You could see that Dozier needed a blow more often last hear and one or 2 days off a week where Dozier could play DH or have a full day off. = 2 days of playing time ...... multilply that at SS and 3rd and you are looking at Polanco playing about 5 days a week.

 

As far as Sano playing every day I would be jumping for joy if  he shows he  is  competent there.

That  has yet to happen.

 

If he "shows"  that  he is incompetent there like he has in the past we just keep running him out there? That is  a good  way to lose a team ( or a  GM ) ... If he is the same guy as last year he  won't be out there  everyday.... He may be batting everyday at the DH but I don't think the new Front office is going to sit on their hands and watch him make a fool out of himself. Let's all hope  he has made major strides in the offseason!

Actually per MLB "Minnesota Twins traded RHP Pat Light to Pittsburgh Pirates for Player To Be Named Later." Which would suggest either they are still trying to agree on a prospect or agree to a cash transaction. I have not seen anything suggesting there has been a resolution either way.

According to the team it was cash

Edited February 13, 20179 yr by Sconnie

The more and more I think about this the more and more I expect Adrianza to be our SS this year. Polanco will be our super-sub and play 2nd, 3rd and SS. If Sano can't handle 3rd I would expect Polanco to end up there with Sano being the DH or start taking some grounders at 1st where I think he projects when Joe hangs them up...... or sooner.

i agree that Adrianza ends up the every day SS by the end of the season. Not sure about the rest. I think Polanco rides the pine until Dozier gets traded and then takes over second. I think Sano stays at third for a few years.

 

According to the team it was cash
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Could be the actual situation but according to the MLB office it is for a player to be named. Either way Light gone and cash or a minor prospect..... not a major situation.

As the super sub position he won't play DH at all unless something unforeseen happens.

 

You could see that Dozier needed a blow more often last hear and one or 2 days off a week where Dozier could play DH or have a full day off. = 2 days of playing time ...... multilply that at SS and 3rd and you are looking at Polanco playing about 5 days a week.

 

As far as Sano playing every day I would be jumping for joy if he shows he is competent there.

That has yet to happen.

 

If he "shows" that he is incompetent there like he has in the past we just keep running him out there? That is a good way to lose a team ( or a GM ) ... If he is the same guy as last year he won't be out there everyday.... He may be batting everyday at the DH but I don't think the new Front office is going to sit on their hands and watch him make a fool out of himself. Let's all hope he has made major strides in the offseason!

Well I don't believe the Twins will give Dozier and Sano 2 days each per week at DH.

 

Sano needs reps at 3rd. The Twins are going nowhere in 2017. He will play there everyday, yes even if he's terrible. If he doesn't improve, then you have to find a new spot for him in 2018, but if healthy he'll play every day at 3B in 2017.

 

Well I don't believe the Twins will give Dozier and Sano 2 days each per week at DH.

Sano needs reps at 3rd. The Twins are going nowhere in 2017. He will play there everyday, yes even if he's terrible. If he doesn't improve, then you have to find a new spot for him in 2018, but if healthy he'll play every day at 3B in 2017.

 

Well we will agree to disagree..... Actually I didn't say that each would DH 2 times a week - I said possible one time of the 2 days off. Leaving plenty of time for Polanco to play.

 

Again I would love to have Sano be the guy at 3rd as I think he can be a superstar. I also understand that our new FO's priority is to improve our pitching and defense. They go together. If he can't play defense the team will find a spot for his bat that is certain.

 

Nothing more deflating as a former player as not trusting that a guy is going to make a play and he doesn't .... over and over again. I am sure we have some former pitchers in here that can tell you this first hand.

 

 Don't have the stats but I am sure that one of our metric dudes can connect good defense to good pitching as they go together. More importantly good pitching and good defensive teams have a much better chance of winning.

Edited February 13, 20179 yr by specialiststeve

 

When you name two players in a sentence such as this, it is comparative. We compare players continually.

If Pittsburg was really worried Light would be claimed, why wasn't there a player traded instead of cash?

That is funny. What an alternative truth. The Twins starting rotation might be Hughes, May, Gibson and Santiago. By your logic, I just compared them. Funny logic.

 

Like it or not, Sano is going to play 3B every day this year.
So you are going to put Polanco at DH 120 times?

Dozier is the only player to start over 150 games for the last three years. Sano will not play 3b every game, like it or not.