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Thrylos St Paul Saints

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Run differential is the Twins biggest issue.

If you can't figure out how to give up fewer, you can at least consider how to score more.

 

 

Really for where the Twins are, it does not work this way.  If a team is at .500, it could work, but not for the Twins.  Ergo:

 

In 2016 the Twins 16th in RS with 722, 3 fewer RS than the 14th place Dodgers.  If they had Blue Jays' offense they would had scored 759 runs. The Indians' 777.  I don't think that realistically can go much higher.  Heck for argument's sake, let's say that they can improve to the best in the league (Red Sox) who had 878 Runs Scored.

 

They were 29th (1 run better than the last in the League Diamondbacks) with 889 runs allowed.

 

So unless you address pitching and defense, even if they have the best run production in the majors, it still translates to a losing record.  And if you think that there is no way to win, makes zero sense not to nuke it up and start fresh...

 

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Darius First Round Pick

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I find it nearly impossible to believe this would ever happen. Which, is fine, because I don't really like the guy. There is a good reason why he got punched in the face in the field of play by Odor.

 

If you're going to showboat around, bat-flip everything like it's your first and last home run, and play dirty....at least stand there and fight a guy like a man for coming after you for it.

 

I don't want to watch this clown every night. Watching him getting plunked on Baseball Tonight constantly for playing the way he does is all I really care to see.

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If Plan A was to get decent value for Dozier and they didn't get decent value for Dozier. 

 

They must move to plan B. 

 

With Dozier being the only decent rebuild chip to cash in... Keeping Dozier means plan B is improving the team around him. 

 

The Top Free Agent remaining is Bautista and he is ready to settle for a one year deal and this allows the team to execute Plan B and easily shift back to Plan A should a better offer for Dozier arrive down the line during the 2017 season.

 

While we wait for the return to Plan A moment... Bautista brings some protection for Sano... Some heavy attitude for the young players to observe and a chip on his shoulder with money to make on his next contract and if Bautista knocks a few out of the park while showing the baseball world that he deserves the money...  He will have trade value at the deadline for a deeper better Plan A. 

 

There isn't any decent starting pitchers to spend money on... and it's only money... so why not... go for it is my vote. 

 

 

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I stated earlier that I felt, and still do, this is really only the Twins paying due diligence. If Dozier were traddd, however, it would make some sense. Bautista replaces his bat and can DH and solves the issue of a need for a 4th OF. Not dismissing Rosario at all! I still like an OF of Rosario, Buxton and Kepler with Bautista playing some as well as DH. Park/Vargas shares 1B with Mauer and also DH time. Rosario becomes the backup CF. Even still have room for Grossman's bat.

 

I don't think this is going to happen, but it does make some sense.

 

I love reading all the lineup options, it's long been a hobby of mine to speculate and write out various speculative lineups on paper or run them through my head. I know this is asking a lot, but ultimately, I'd really like to see a lineup that had some combination of Buxton and Polanco in the top 2 spots with Kepler hitting 3rd, which is where I think he will ultimately settle in. I get the idea of Mauer hitting 2nd, but hitting LH with a still decent OB, wouldn't he fit better somewhere around the 6 spot? Decent contact, OB and LH but not much power, he helps provide a baserunner for the bottomed third. Just a thought.

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Riverbrian Cooperstown

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Honestly... I wasn't for signing Bautista earlier because I was pretty sure a Dozier deal was going to happen and the Dozier deal was the tear down starting gun.

 

Now... the tear down must be delayed until a better time. So Gather up thy assets and get ready for the next window. 

 

I've officially changed from No Bautista to Yes Baustista. 

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USAFChief Cooperstown

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At the risk of repeating myself from other Bautista threads: there are certainly reasons one might be opposed to signing him...but money isn't one of them.

 

It goes to Jose, or it goes to ownership, never to be seen again.

 

It's that simple.

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Remember, we lose a draft pick if we sign the 36 year old, one dimensional, 1.4 WAR last year player named Jose Bautista.  Not to mention the money we spend on him when we aren't going to compete.

This.  The chances of him continuing to decline are pretty good.  Pass.

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2/3rds of a year of entertainment from Bautista for a 2nd round pick that could very well never be more of a prospect than the one we can get by flipping Jose.

 

Meh, why not. But only if we agree to stop calling him Joey Bats, ffs.

I'm not going to be upset either way, but it's likely only a 2nd round pick in name only. With their pool they could sign another first rounder who only fell because other teams couldn't meet his asking price. Like Lance McCullers, Joey Wentz, Sean Manea or Daz Cameron.

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This.  The chances of him continuing to decline are pretty good.  Pass.

I think if we look at wRC+ and OPS plus, he took a sharp decline last year (26 points in wRC+, 28 in OPS+)  and of course defensively he's horrible (hence the 1.4 WAR last year), which isn't likely to improve.  We could throw him at DH though, I suppose, andhope he rebounds while we lose our 2nd round pick that may help our future.

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I just wonder whether the people who are running and/or reporting for the Twins have realized that pitching and defense was the biggest issue, and Bautista can neither pitch nor play defense, which means that he does not make sense

I watched Torii Hunter play RF at Target Field just fine after we had to have crisis management sessions here at Twins Daily because he'd probably lose the team 100 games on his own.

 

His range isn't good but his arm is average, he'd be fine. We could stick one of our many pitchforks in the turf halfway between the dirt and the wall, stick a glove on the handle and name it Jason Kubel and we'd be fine in right field.

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I'm not going to be upset either way, but it's likely only a 2nd round pick in name only. With their pool they could sign another first rounder who only fell because other teams couldn't meet his asking price. Like Lance McCullers, Joey Wentz, Sean Manea or Daz Cameron.

Doesn't the pool get reduced when the 2nd round pick is taken away?

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Twins could pull some shady S--t with Florida if they wanted....

 

Twins sign Bautista, forfeiting their 2nd round pick.

Very shortly into the season, the Twins trade Bautista to Miami for their competitive balance pick (the pick right before the pick we forfeited) and a lottery ticket prospect.

 

Twins do this for the bonus prospect

Miami does it to give up a comp pick instead of their first round pick.

Toronto doesn't care because their comp pick for Bautista still falls at the end of the 1st round.

Bautista is happy because he gets to play in Miami

 

Everybody is happy!

(except for the rest of the league)

 

This is devious.  I like the way you think.

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So we give up our high second round pick, a spot for Vargas or Rosario, and a bunch of money so we can do what exactly?

 

Win less than a handful of games more than we would have?  Continue a strong tradition of terrible defenses behind our terrible pitchers?  Hope that we can turn him into a prospect good enough to offset all the investments?

 

Where is the upside exactly?

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twinsnorth49 St Paul Saints

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So we give up our high second round pick, a spot for Vargas or Rosario, and a bunch of money so we can do what exactly?

 

Win less than a handful of games more than we would have? Continue a strong tradition of terrible defenses behind our terrible pitchers? Hope that we can turn him into a prospect good enough to offset all the investments?

 

Where is the upside exactly?

Epic bat flips man, c'mon keep up. I expect more of you.

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crapforks Draft Eligible

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I said in the last Bautista thread:

"Bautista isn't a good fit for the roster, but I could see rooting pretty hard for him if he ended up with the Twins. I picture him to be a player who will be playing with a chip on his shoulder after the inevitable 1yr contract. Im also probably biased having seen him play at Target Field a few times."

Its a damn shame that the roster isn't set up to accommodate him. The Twins, right now, have a log-jam of players who are best suited for 1B, LF, RF or DH. Bautista isn't Jim Thome yet, but dude inspires confidence at the plate.

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Hunter had -8 DRS and gave us a whopping 0.4 WAR (poor offense and defense) in his last year in the majors. Bumbling plays, horrible range, and so on. A wonderful 10M signing by Ryan, yes.

Yes, the Twins were so much better in 2014 and 2016 when they weren't handicapped by that bum in RF.

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