What would the process be for removing Pelosi and Schumer from leadership?

For what end? They seem to.be effective in their roles right now.

For what end? They seem to.be effective in their roles right now.

For one, it's a new political environment. Granted it's Trump and no one will come out winners, but it feels so stale to keep seeing those same names year after year.

So much fail today. He wants to pull out of the Iran deal, says he is committed to bribing back judeo Christian values, cut funding to the aca, and wants to give a huge tax cut to the rich. He'll have to come up with some distraction after he get destroyed by the media and doesn't receive any commitments from Congress. See, all this bull **** you did GOP? All these lies you spread? This is the actual **** hitting the fan. Republicans should get destroyed for this.

So much fail today. He wants to pull out of the Iran deal, says he is committed to bribing back judeo Christian values, cut funding to the aca, and wants to give a huge tax cut to the rich. He'll have to come up with some distraction after he get destroyed by the media and doesn't receive any commitments from Congress. See, all this bull **** you did GOP? All these lies you spread? This is the actual **** hitting the fan. Republicans should get destroyed for this.

They should but won't by their voters. I predict that the House won't change much in the mid-terms.

They should but won't by their voters. I predict that the House won't change much in the mid-terms.

I'm not sure I'd go that far. It's all a matter of numbers. People across the country are disgusted with this administration. If the dems can get them out to vote they will do well. The house is supposed to reflect the popular vote, I think it will be more accurate the next go around. And in 2020 they will redraw lines to make them fair. I think the Senate is more interesting. There is no way some of these senators are going to add to the deficit. I really hope some senators get primaried and face a dem as a non gubernatorial candidate. Nevada could be turned blue in the next couple years due to an extreme candidate.

 

I'm not sure I'd go that far. It's all a matter of numbers. People across the country are disgusted with this administration. If the dems can get them out to vote they will do well. The house is supposed to reflect the popular vote, I think it will be more accurate the next go around. And in 2020 they will redraw lines to make them fair. I think the Senate is more interesting. There is no way some of these senators are going to add to the deficit. I really hope some senators get primaried and face a dem as a non gubernatorial candidate. Nevada could be turned blue in the next couple years due to an extreme candidate.

Correction. They won't redraw until after the 2020 elections. Basically, today's gerrymanders will be in place through 2020. There should be a lot more Democrats in office from state legislatures on up, but I've seen this picture before and Republicans and their voters have defied conventional wisdom.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/purge-and-purify-halloween-decorations-arent-racist-homeowner-says/ar-AAtoBad?li=BBnb7Kz

 

A 'Halloween decorated' house...by a self-proclaimed Trump supporter.  BTW, the text was changed.  Originally, it said 'Make America Great Again Purge and Purify'.

Edited October 16, 20179 yr by jimmer

Only Trump would actually say "I am better at calling the families of dead soldiers than other presidents".  Very galling due to the fact that it took him 12 days to publicly acknowledge the loss of the soldier in Niger.  At least someone actually called him on it and he had to back away from his statement and former Clinton, Obama and Bush people all responded that was not the case.

 

The way he makes people who he is at odds with issue statements how great he is is very unsettling.  I would say Mitch sold his soul today, but he made the sale years ago.

President snowflake will be the only living president not at a hurricane event. Only days after Bush and Obama gave speeches indirectly calling out Trump's rhetoric.

 

Bannon is doing his best to splinter the gop. I'm surprised he is getting a stump this large to speak on. Sarah Huckabee Sanders is digging her own grave with her comments and attitude in general. I really hope the general population revolts against these people next year. If not, I might start getting a little worried.

If not, I might start getting a little worried.

Prepare to be worried.

 

President snowflake will be the only living president not at a hurricane event. 

 

He has not even had found time to even give it a tweet of support or acknowledgement.  He has tweeted about ten times today, and it is all patting himself on the back, still talking about the election, and airing personal grievances.  He also had time to spend four hours at his country club.  Sometimes I don't think the welfare of the country is his number one priority.

Sometimes I don't think the welfare of the country is his number one priority.

Hahahahahaha!

 

What bugs me is that he drags down people like John Kelly with him.

 

Hahahahahaha!

What bugs me is that he drags down people like John Kelly with him.

John Kelly has chose to stand with Trump.  He's made his bed and dragged himself down.

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Trump is overnight UPS'ing unsent condolence letters in case anyone fact checks his claims of being the greatest of all time at doing this.

So gross on so many levels, I literally thought I was reading an Onion headline before I clicked on it.

 

John Kelly has chose to stand with Trump.  He's made his bed and dragged himself down.

Right.  His MAGA-laden speech in support of Trump's supposed condolences to Gold Star families shows that although Kelly is a professional, his underlying beliefs are probably in-line with a lot of the antiquated drivel that motivates Trump's core constituents. 

Anyone know the timetable for the Russian collusion and impeachment? Will he make it to the end of the year?

 

Anyone know the timetable for the Russian collusion and impeachment? Will he make it to the end of the year?

 

He's not getting impeached. 

 

We should be concentrating on building an actual Democratic party that stands for something and gets things done....

 

He's not getting impeached. 

 

We should be concentrating on building an actual Democratic party that stands for something and gets things done....

Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

 

He's not getting impeached. 

 

We should be concentrating on building an actual Democratic party that stands for something and gets things done....

 

Probably depends on what they want to do with immigration. As long as economic growth is low, it's going to be the issue that prevents them from winning at a higher level.

 

That said, I still suspect much of the angst will leave the next couple of elections. Control goes in cycles, the current occupant is under 40%, and it's not clear the Congress will actually pass any significant legislation. So at least that's an opportunity.

He's not getting impeached. 

 

The Special Counsel Mueller is still working on the case and Russia collusion is the reason Trump won, according to numerous sources including most of the intelligence community, the DNC, and the Clinton campaign. Once they have evidence in hand, can't that be used to then impeach?

Just because the Russia story is out of the news cycle doesn't mean that there won't be indictments, perhaps followed by impeachment.  Mueller runs a tight ship, and would prefer to operate outside of the news cycle anyway.   There's already a prima facie case against Trump on obstruction of justice -- but that probably won't create enough political cache to motivate impeachment, esp. from Republicans, perhaps largely complicit.  Mueller's goal is probably to indict Manafort, Flynn, among others for collusion-like charges; that, plus Trump's obstruction may force Congress' hand on impeachment, or usher resignation.  

 

All that said, A Pence White House (or Ryan White House) probably is a worse outcome, because the policy largely stays the same and the rhetoric becomes more tactful allowing for their agenda to take hold.  

Just because the Russia story is out of the news cycle doesn't mean that there won't be indictments, perhaps followed by impeachment. Mueller runs a tight ship, and would prefer to operate outside of the news cycle anyway. There's already a prima facie case against Trump on obstruction of justice -- but that probably won't create enough political cache to motivate impeachment, esp. from Republicans, perhaps largely complicit. Mueller's goal is probably to indict Manafort, Flynn, among others for collusion-like charges; that, plus Trump's obstruction may force Congress' hand on impeachment, or usher resignation.

 

All that said, A Pence White House (or Ryan White House) probably is a worse outcome, because the policy largely stays the same and the rhetoric becomes more tactful allowing for their agenda to take hold.

I don't think the problem with Trump is his policy.

 

I don't think the problem with Trump is his policy.

It would be if he could enact it, at least from my pov.  The tax plan, health care reform, his executive orders, agency gutting.  What exactly do you find non-problematic? 

 

It would be if he could enact it, at least from my pov.  The tax plan, health care reform, his executive orders, agency gutting.  What exactly do you find non-problematic? 

 

I don't like any of it, but I would expect it from any Republican President that also had control of both chambers of Congress. In that sense Trump's overall ineptness is welcome.

 

I realize that this isn't the political times we live in, but I would hope we can accept that political parties we don't agree with will enact legislation that we don't like, but that should inspire increased efforts to elect our own people, not result in a catastrophe in and of itself.

 

The damage Trump is doing has the potential for much longer lasting damage.

Add another enemy to Trump. So, the republicans have lost Corker, now Flake, McCain, and want to enact policies Collins and Murkowski don't like. Good luck for the next 3 years.

 

Bannon has to be foaming at the mouth. He could really do damage to the gop (if he hasn't done enough already).

 

I don't like any of it, but I would expect it from any Republican President that also had control of both chambers of Congress. In that sense Trump's overall ineptness is welcome.

That was part of the point of my post.  But Republicans--as a whole--not just Trump--continue to pull far to the right.  

 

I'm just not willing to cut the wheat from the chaff in determining whether to blame Trump or Republicans for the lasting damage.  For me, it's part-and-participle with their scorched earth efforts to institute their policy is how we got here. 

Just because the Russia story is out of the news cycle doesn't mean that there won't be indictments, perhaps followed by impeachment.  Mueller runs a tight ship, and would prefer to operate outside of the news cycle anyway.   There's already a prima facie case against Trump on obstruction of justice -- but that probably won't create enough political cache to motivate impeachment, esp. from Republicans, perhaps largely complicit.  Mueller's goal is probably to indict Manafort, Flynn, among others for collusion-like charges; that, plus Trump's obstruction may force Congress' hand on impeachment, or usher resignation.  

 

All that said, A Pence White House (or Ryan White House) probably is a worse outcome, because the policy largely stays the same and the rhetoric becomes more tactful allowing for their agenda to take hold.

 

Yeah. Do you have a timetable or a rough estimate on when this is going to be concluded? I haven't seen any definitive statements yet by any officials or news agencies or anyone else that might be in the know, understandably because they are keeping it under wraps as the investigation progresses. Are we talking a matter of weeks, months, or years?

Add another enemy to Trump. So, the republicans have lost Corker, now Flake, McCain, and want to enact policies Collins and Murkowski don't like. Good luck for the next 3 years.

Bannon has to be foaming at the mouth. He could really do damage to the gop (if he hasn't done enough already).

We'll see. What Bannon has likely done here in Arizona, for example is created a situation where a pretty decent moderate, Jeff Flake, will be replaced by a fire breathing far right zealot. A Democrat can't win, and the R winner will certainly be far worse than Flake.

 

Yeah. Do you have a timetable or a rough estimate on when this is going to be concluded? I haven't seen any definitive statements yet by any officials or news agencies or anyone else that might be in the know, understandably because they are keeping it under wraps as the investigation progresses. Are we talking a matter of weeks, months, or years?

They are clearly still investigating, so it will be a matter of months before indictments, and likely more than a year following, depending on plea bargaining, trial of Trump subordinates, and Trump's own impeachment proceedings.  A very drawn out process.

 

 A Democrat can't win, and the R winner will certainly be far worse than Flake.

I hate this defeatest attitude.  You don't think the political landscape has changed at all since Trump's election.  I know many here in Arizona who voted for Trump and have buyer's remorse, I'm not sure a Bannon-candidate will be as successful as you believe.