How soon will guys start to hit the waiver wire? I imagine high contract guys will be first, and then slowly the guys that they are wanting to trade? How soon does usually all play out?

Doesn't basically every player get put on waivers?

Yes

Yeah, it will start probably today. Just about everyone goes on waivers, though it won't necessarily happen all at once. Anyone who is claimed can be traded to the team that claimed him, pulled back, or basically given away.

 

Yeah, it will start probably today. Just about everyone goes on waivers, though it won't necessarily happen all at once. Anyone who is claimed can be traded to the team that claimed him, pulled back, or basically given away.

 

I would expect Mauer, Plouffe, Dozier, Milone, Suzuki, Kintzler for sure.

I would have put the whole team on waivers at 3:01 yesterday if that was allowable.

 

Maybe it is and maybe the Twins did.

From what I've read on line.....

 

No, not every player goes on waivers.

Teams handle it differently.....some put everyone on waivers they want to pass thru (or trade), and some do it in spurts over time.

First they do through revocable waivers and if they pass it's free game. Then if placed on irrevocable waivers after, have to be traded to the claiming team.

Is that right?

 

First they do through revocable waivers and if they pass it's free game. Then if placed on irrevocable waivers after, have to be traded to the claiming team.

Is that right?

I think both teams have to agree to the trade which means that the team trading away the player is really in the drivers seat.

 

From what I've read on line.....

 

No, not every player goes on waivers.

Teams handle it differently.....some put everyone on waivers they want to pass thru (or trade), and some do it in spurts over time.

Question:  Can a guy with a no-trade clause in his contract get put on waivers??  I saw someone mentioning Mauer.....

 

Question:  Can a guy with a no-trade clause in his contract get put on waivers??  I saw someone mentioning Mauer.....

 

Mauer can "void" any claim if he doesn't want to go, is my understanding from perusing the internet just now......

 

Mauer can "void" any claim if he doesn't want to go, is my understanding from perusing the internet just now......

Thanks.  I could quite reconcile the "guaranteed contact" vs. just waiving a player with that contract.

 

If the Twins really wanted to get rid of Mauer, the honorable thing to do is try to buy out his contract. 

Bankers typically don't do those kind of things.....

Milone and Plouffe are the two I would suppose would be gone on waivers. Just makes sense to get rid of the weakest links first.

Send Suzuki to CLE for a PTBNL

At least for the first time in a long time we don't have to hear about Terry Ryan monitoring the waiver wire for relief help, which results in a scrap-heap pickup.

 

 

 

Send Suzuki to CLE for a PTBNL

Suzuki won't make it to Cleveland, plenty of teams would claim him prior (Seattle comes to mind immediately)

 

Suzuki won't make it to Cleveland, plenty of teams would claim him prior (Seattle comes to mind immediately)

 

I don't care who takes him. He's dead weight on this team and they may as well see Centeno and Murphy play more (even if Murphy hasn't "earned it").

 

Okay, waiver wire time.

 

Was surprised that no one traded for Suzuki in the contending group. Now any team can claim him. I remember fondly the days when teams would claim players to block another team from taking them.

 

Now, when a player is claimed, you have the option of working out a trade, letting the player go to the team for the cost of his remaining salary, or pulling the player back. So it is a gamble. Does the claiming team really want the player so bad they will give you a player in return. Do you want to get rid of the player so badly that you are happy to stick the salary to the claiming team.

 

If a player isn't claimed, you can do anything you want with that player. So it is also a good time to move guys off your 40-man (Pat Dean, Randy Rosario, maybe even Adam Walker). Teams have to keep the guy on their own 40-man, or run the risk of waivering them out themselves.

 

Now, if you can't reach a deal and pull the player back, you still have the option of putting them out on waivers again, and the player, if claimed, is gone. No discussion. Salary gone.

 

If you can't get anything for Suzuki, except salary relief, do you do it? Once the season ends, you don't get anything for the guy. It means we play Murphy or whomever for the remainder of the season.

 

If the Twins do put Plouffe out there, I imagine they wait until the end of the week. The joy of another teaming taking Plouffe off our hands is that they have to make the arbitration decision. The Twins would be free to make any offer they want if they would want Plouffe back, weighed against other offers he might get...if he doesn't go to arbitration.

 

Do you let players like Milone, Kintzler, Boshers go just to clear up roster space for other players you want to see.

 

Do you let someone take Park, also to clear roster space and playing time for others.

 

If, by chance, someone claims Mauer...can anything be done?

 

With salary cap limitations, teams grabbing a contract that pays high is few and far. It's a gamble to grab a guy on waivers: work something out, pull back, or let him go are the options the first time around. Get stuck or stick it to someone else.

 

 

Plus, will be interesting to see if the Twins do any waiver claims themselves, with a few open roster spots, and some names they could trade (mentioned above) of from elsewhere in their system. 

 

The trading season is far from over!

 

 

 

 

 

Suzuki won't make it to Cleveland, plenty of teams would claim him prior (Seattle comes to mind immediately)

Yeah, Seattle is a good example of a fringe contender (or non-contender) that could put in a claim for Suzuki, but not offer a lot in trade.  That's why it was disappointing we didn't move him yesterday -- hard to believe Cleveland is really rolling down the stretch with Perez/Jimenez at catcher (although technically Gomes might come back very late in the season).

 

I guess guys like AJ, Iannetta, Ruiz, etc. should clear waivers in August, maybe even Hundley or Soto, so they're not shut out yet.

I don't care who takes him. He's dead weight on this team and they may as well see Centeno and Murphy play more (even if Murphy hasn't "earned it").

I'd just as soon see Garver get a shot as Murphy. But then they'd have to make a spot on the 40 man roster...

 

Question:  Can a guy with a no-trade clause in his contract get put on waivers??  I saw someone mentioning Mauer.....

He can be (and has been) put on waivers.  However, if the Twins and another team come to a trade agreement, the player would have the ability to exercise his no-trade clause or waive it at that time.

Edited August 2, 201610 yr by gocgo

Okay, waiver wire time.

 

Was surprised that no one traded for Suzuki in the contending group. Now any team can claim him. I remember fondly the days when teams would claim players to block another team from taking them.

 

Now, when a player is claimed, you have the option of working out a trade, letting the player go to the team for the cost of his remaining salary, or pulling the player back. So it is a gamble. Does the claiming team really want the player so bad they will give you a player in return. Do you want to get rid of the player so badly that you are happy to stick the salary to the claiming team.

 

If a player isn't claimed, you can do anything you want with that player. So it is also a good time to move guys off your 40-man (Pat Dean, Randy Rosario, maybe even Adam Walker). Teams have to keep the guy on their own 40-man, or run the risk of waivering them out themselves.

 

Now, if you can't reach a deal and pull the player back, you still have the option of putting them out on waivers again, and the player, if claimed, is gone. No discussion. Salary gone.

 

If you can't get anything for Suzuki, except salary relief, do you do it? Once the season ends, you don't get anything for the guy. It means we play Murphy or whomever for the remainder of the season.

 

If the Twins do put Plouffe out there, I imagine they wait until the end of the week. The joy of another teaming taking Plouffe off our hands is that they have to make the arbitration decision. The Twins would be free to make any offer they want if they would want Plouffe back, weighed against other offers he might get...if he doesn't go to arbitration.

 

Do you let players like Milone, Kintzler, Boshers go just to clear up roster space for other players you want to see.

 

Do you let someone take Park, also to clear roster space and playing time for others.

 

If, by chance, someone claims Mauer...can anything be done?

 

With salary cap limitations, teams grabbing a contract that pays high is few and far. It's a gamble to grab a guy on waivers: work something out, pull back, or let him go are the options the first time around. Get stuck or stick it to someone else.

 

 

Plus, will be interesting to see if the Twins do any waiver claims themselves, with a few open roster spots, and some names they could trade (mentioned above) of from elsewhere in their system.

 

The trading season is far from over!

I could be wrong, but I don't think you can use trade waivers for removing a player from your 40 man roster.

Trade waivers are revocable, meaning a player can be pulled back if claimed.

I'm pretty sure that a player has to clear irrevocable waivers before they can be removed from the 40 man. Though, again, I could be wrong on that.

 

I could be wrong, but I don't think you can use trade waivers for removing a player from your 40 man roster.
Trade waivers are revocable, meaning a player can be pulled back if claimed.
I'm pretty sure that a player has to clear irrevocable waivers before they can be removed from the 40 man. Though, again, I could be wrong on that.

 

You are correct about the trade waivers part.

 

You are not quite correct about the irrevocable waivers.  I player can be DFA's which removes him immediately from the 40 man roster.  The team has 10 days to determine what to do with him: Trade, Release or Outright to the minors.  Before they can be released or outrighted they have to clear waivers.

 

First they do through revocable waivers and if they pass it's free game. Then if placed on irrevocable waivers after, have to be traded to the claiming team.

Is that right?

 

The waiver process in August isn't really "revocable" vs "irrevocable."

 

Players get put on the waiver wire. If another team or teams claim him, they can: 

 

1. work out a trade with the highest priority team that made the claim,

2. the current team can pull him back off the wire and keep him (and if they put him on again, cannot pull him back the second time), or

3. the current team can let him go to the claiming team.

 

That's it. 

 

 

Edited August 2, 201610 yr by Steve Lein

Obviously Mauer will get put on waivers (as will most veterans). If you were Rob Antony, and he got claimed by someone, would you dare let him go for nothing?

 

Just think of that PR Sh*tstorm.

 

But also, think about how many problems that solves.

The waiver process in August isn't really "revocable" vs "irrevocable."

 

Players get put on the waiver wire. If another team or teams claim him, they can:

 

1. work out a trade with the highest priority team that made the claim,

2. the current team can pull him back off the wire and keep him (and if they put him on again, cannot pull him back the second time), or

3. the current team can let him go to the claiming team.

 

That's it.

I think what he means is that you can only do that once, I believe.

 

I don't think you can keep trying over and over again, pulling them back each time.

I think you can pull them back the one time, then if you try to run them through again, you lose them if claimed.

Is this correct?

Obviously Mauer will get put on waivers (as will most veterans). If you were Rob Antony, and he got claimed by someone, would you dare let him go for nothing?

 

Just think of that PR Sh*tstorm.

 

But also, think about how many problems that solves.

Fun exercise, but nobody is claiming Mauer. That would be an instantly fireable offense by the other GM.

 

I think what he means is that you can only do that once, I believe.

I don't think you can keep trying over and over again, pulling them back each time.
I think you can pull them back the one time, then if you try to run them through again, you lose them if claimed.
Is this correct?

 

That is what I said, haha   q: )

 

Can pull him back first time, you can't if you try to put him on again.

 

So essentially, if you're trying to trade him for something, but that doesn't work out the first time, you aren't able to trade him.

 

Edited August 2, 201610 yr by Steve Lein

That is what I said, haha

 

Can pull him back first time, you can't if you try to put him on again.

Oops! F for reading comprehension I guess.

 

Fun exercise, but nobody is claiming Mauer. That would be an instantly fireable offense by the other GM.

 

Meh, Mauer would decline to go anyway.....