Reports of Verlander's death have been greatly exaggerated.

 

Reports of Verlander's death have been greatly exaggerated.

Likewise with Anibal Sanchez last night.  I sense a theme...

Top 3 AL RH SPs since 2000 off the top of your head go

 

Top 3 AL RH SPs since 2000 off the top of your head go

Verlander, King Felix, Halladay?

 

Verlander, King Felix, Halladay?

Pedro, Pedro and Pedro.

Double-play - yes!  Just trying to do my part to beef up the thread.

 

Pedro, Pedro and Pedro.

Ha!  For some stupid reason I had it in my head that he was a lefty...

 

I need more caffeine...

JK:

 

Pedro, Halladay and Oswalt.

 

Top 3 AL RH SPs since 2000 off the top of your head go

Hmm... 

Pedro Martinez
Roy Halladay
?

Maybe Verlander is up there?

 

Verlander, King Felix, Halladay?

 
King Felix is a good one. 

 

JK:

 

Pedro, Halladay and Oswalt.

How quickly we forget. The Astros were in the NL for all of his career I believe! 

Erv works through a stressful sixth. Still a couple less pitches than Verlander.

 

How quickly we forget. The Astros were in the NL for all of his career I believe! 

Sorry,  I missed the AL Part. Skimmed right over it.

 

Pedro, Halladay and King Felix.

Edited July 20, 201610 yr by jimmer

Mike Mussina was pretty dang good too. He's at least on the honorable mentions list. 

 

 
King Felix is a good one. 

It's too bad he's spent most of his career on putrid Seattle team's.  He's kind of a well kept secret out on the west coast.  I love watching him pitch.

 

Mike Mussina was pretty dang good too. He's at least on the honorable mentions list. 

Should be in the HOF.

 

Mike Mussina was pretty dang good too. He's at least on the honorable mentions list. 

If the question was related only to the Twins he'd have to be #1 by a large margin.  He owned this team.

 

If the question was related only to the Twins he'd have to be #1 by a large margin.  He owned this team.

I recall whenever he pitched against the Twins it was pretty much an automatic win for him. Just checked out his splits, and you're right, he was always a Twins killer. 

22-6 record, 3.09 ERA, 6 CG, 4 shutouts in 33 career starts against them. 

 

Should be in the HOF.

I think I'd disagree, but I do think he's borderline at worst.  He was a perennial CY guy for almost a decade, but never won it I believe.  I wouldn't be shocked if he got in, but I wouldn't vote for him if I had a vote.

Only 3 pages?  Are the game threads shorter now, because we lost the "fire Terry Ryan" posts?

 

I think I'd disagree, but I do think he's borderline at worst.  He was a perennial CY guy for almost a decade, but never won it I believe.  I wouldn't be shocked if he got in, but I wouldn't vote for him if I had a vote.

Tom Glavine:  First ballot HOFer. 

Mussina, better than Glavine.

 

Only 3 pages?  Are the game threads shorter now, because we lost the "fire Terry Ryan" posts?

Day game during work day.

I recall whenever he pitched against the Twins it was pretty much an automatic win for him. Just checked out his splits, and you're right, he was always a Twins killer. 

 

22-6 record, 3.09 ERA, 6 CG, 4 shutouts in 33 career starts against them.

Me too. I don't know why but he impressed me as a youngster as much as just about any player growing up.

The hitter equivalent would be Thome when he was an Indian. Just destroyed us.

Despite that the first 3 I thought of after posing that question were Verlander, Halladay, and Greinke. I know I have a short memory.

 

And a bit ALC biased ha

Edited July 20, 201610 yr by Willihammer

 

Top 3 AL RH SPs since 2000 off the top of your head go

 

Where do you put Randy Johnson?  Seattle and AZ

 

Edit:  duh... lefty

 

Tom Glavine:  First ballot HOFer. 

Mussina, better than Glavine.

I wouldn't have put Glavine in first ballot either.

 

Their numbers are similar, I'm wouldn't say Mussina is clearly better.  Glavine had 2 CYs and pitched 4 more years as well.

 

It's certainly a good talker.

Big Unit was a lefty, so probably not on any top AL RH SP list.

 

I wouldn't have put Glavine in first ballot either.

 

Their numbers are similar, I'm wouldn't say Mussina is clearly better.  Glavine had 2 CYs and pitched 4 more years as well.

 

It's certainly a good talker.

They pitched in two different leagues.  They weren't competing against each other for an award that until recently was dependent so much on win totals (Bartolo over Santana in 2005) 

 

Mussina had a career ERA+ (5 points higher), better K/9 by almost 2Ks (even though he faced DHs), better BB/9, much better WHIP, much better FIP.  I can't think of one thing I'd say Glavine was better at other than his narrative of being one of the big 3.

 

Only thing Glavine did better was last 4 more years.

Edited July 20, 201610 yr by jimmer

Verlander is looking very verlanderish today.  Sorry to see it.  Good thing Santana is matching him.

Tigers announcers speculating that they will take Verlander out so he doesn't have to face Mauer.  Long time since I heard that.