Article: Trade Eduardo Nunez: Would You?

[Danchat]

 

Butera got us Shawn Gilmartin.

No, Butera got us Miguel Sulbaran (who was traded for Eduardo Nunez the next season). Ryan Doumit was traded for Sean Gilmartin.

Edited June 24, 2016 by Danchat

[glunn]

The Mets have a young catcher who seems to have a high upside:  Ali Sanchez.

 

Per the Mets' website:

 

"Sanchez made his United States debut in 2015 and performed well, particularly behind the plate. No one runs on him, with a strong arm and a quick release leading to him throwing out 48 percent of would-be basestealers in the Gulf Coast League. Sanchez is athletic and agile behind the plate, with soft hands and good blocking skills, showing an ability to work with pitchers that often doesn't come until later in development. He has tools to hit, with a solid approach and an understanding of what he still needs to work on. Sanchez's swing is contact-oriented now, but there should be power to come as he adds strength.

 

Just 19 for all of the 2016 season, Sanchez still has a ways to go, particularly offensively. But with a floor of a very good backup and a ceiling of an everyday big league backstop, the Mets are eager to help him get there."

 

Here is the link:  http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=nym

 

He is listed as the Mets' #15 prospect.

[CampQ]

The Mets have a young catcher who seems to have a high upside: Ali Sanchez.

 

Per the Mets' website:

 

"Sanchez made his United States debut in 2015 and performed well, particularly behind the plate. No one runs on him, with a strong arm and a quick release leading to him throwing out 48 percent of would-be basestealers in the Gulf Coast League. Sanchez is athletic and agile behind the plate, with soft hands and good blocking skills, showing an ability to work with pitchers that often doesn't come until later in development. He has tools to hit, with a solid approach and an understanding of what he still needs to work on. Sanchez's swing is contact-oriented now, but there should be power to come as he adds strength.

 

Just 19 for all of the 2016 season, Sanchez still has a ways to go, particularly offensively. But with a floor of a very good backup and a ceiling of an everyday big league backstop, the Mets are eager to help him get there."

 

Here is the link: http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=nym

 

He is listed as the Mets' #15 prospect.

Last season when tout le monde was arguing, about how to get Lucroy in a trade, the principal argument against it was that he would cost too much. If one agrees that an organization will hold on to their good hitting prosepct catcher, then it follows that Nunez doesn't net us this kid.

[bird]

 

No, Butera got us Miguel Sulbaran (who was traded for Eduardo Nunez the next season). Ryan Doumit was traded for Sean Gilmartin.

 

 

Thank you for correcting me. Unintentionally, your correct information strengthens the point of my post, which is that we have superior assets to Herrmann, Butera, and Doumit now available in trade, and may not have to virtually give them away.

 

I believe this franchise is at a stage where it's a futile move to take the next Logan Darnell in return for guys like Nunez and Plouffe. If they can't secure a low-minors prospect or two with high-risk/high-return profiles, it's a bad trade.

[mazeville]

 

That is true, Plouffe has a longer track record than Nunez. The team that would acquire either or of these players are just looking at them as rentals for the next 3-4 months. That's why I'm skeptical why a team would prefer Plouffe's .662 OPS over Nunez's .816. 

 

Agree.

 

To be perfectly honest, if it were me I would trade three infielders, Plouffe Nunez and Dozier, replacing them with Sano, Polanco and Beresford. And I'd hope to heaven that those three would bring at least something in the form of decent prospects.

[Otto von Ballpark]

I keep reading the title of this article as "Would Eduardo Nunez Trade You?"  I don't know the answer to that question.

[TheLeviathan]

I read this article title as asked to me by this gentleman:

 

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Edited June 24, 2016 by TheLeviathan

[alarp33]

 

 

I believe this franchise is at a stage where it's a futile move to take the next Logan Darnell in return for guys like Nunez and Plouffe. If they can't secure a low-minors prospect or two with high-risk/high-return profiles, it's a bad trade.

 

Trevor Plouffe is a 30 year old with declining 3rd base skills and a .273 OBP.  Twins fans are the only ones who think someone like that is worth more than a low-minors prospect.  

 

He's a platoon player at this stage, sometimes the roster flexibility (Sano to 3B) is greater than the return.  He won't be back next season, so I don't get the point of holding onto him

[Mike Sixel]

Maybe people should think about it as a Plouffe for Sano trade........that should make it more palatable.

[ashbury]

 it's a futile move to take the next Logan Darnell in return

They've been anointing guys The Next Logan Darnell for years now. Can anyone really predict The Next Logan Darnell?

[TheLeviathan]

 

They've been anointing guys The Next Logan Darnell for years now. Can anyone really predict The Next Logan Darnell?

 

We should ask Logan Darnell.  It might even deserve it's own place among Ryan's advisors when he retire.  I'm sure he'd accept a cushy job predicting future Triple A LOOGEYs that are occasionally, mistakenly thought to be valuable or even starters.

[troyhobbs]

The only reason I wouldn't jump to trade Nunez is because even once he regresses to his former self he's a nice bench player. He can play multiple positions, has speed, takes good at bats, and is cheap.

 

If there is a clear cut useful return, then take it but I wouldn't trade him for a prospect unless it's practically a given that said prospect will play in the bigs and I'm not sure Nunez brings in more than that.

 

Perhaps if he continues to play like he is through next season, his value goes up and can bring in something more substantial.

[whitsbrain]

The Twins need pitching.  Of course I'd trade Nunez.  The only players I'd keep right now on the 25-man roster are Sano, Buxton and Kepler. All of our veterans are disposable.  If one of them is hot, trade them NOW to a team that's in the playoff hunt for anything that smells like a pitcher or a catcher.

[Shaitan]

What's Nunez on track to make in 2017 via arbitration? 

[jimmer]

 

What's Nunez on track to make in 2017 via arbitration? 

Don't know.  Not much.

Edited June 27, 2016 by jimmer

[beckmt]

You can get value only for players that are wanted.  That is why Nunez should be traded(value = cheap(more clubs in play)),  can play multiple positions(great for the versatility advocates), and playing well.  Should be able to get a decent prospect for him(maybe as much as a B or B-) 

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

What's Nunez on track to make in 2017 via arbitration? 

Good question!  Nunez is making $1.48 mil this year.  While his good performance this year will boost it, arb increases seem relative to previous salary too.  Probably $3-4 mil for Nunez next year, depending on his second half?

[jorgenswest]

You can get value only for players that are wanted.  That is why Nunez should be traded(value = cheap(more clubs in play)),  can play multiple positions(great for the versatility advocates), and playing well.  Should be able to get a decent prospect for him(maybe as much as a B or B-)

 

If no one in the league equates playing SS and 3B poorly with defensive versatility and the best offer is a C/C+ prospect with a rule 5 decision coming up, do you take the best offer?

 

The Mets gave up a C+ prospect and a prospect outside the top 20 for Juan Uribe (and Kelly Johnson) last year. John Gant was up for rule 5. He was recently called up to the majors. At the time Sickels wrote that he was a innings eating 5th starter type. The other player, Whalen, had a better ceiling but also a likelihood of a back end starter or bullpen arm.

 

Uribe is an excellent defensive 3B and was hitting well. I would think his overall game has more value in helping a team reach the playoffs. Kelly Johnson had an OPS of .772 at the time of the trade. Both guys were key players for the Mets in the second half. Their return was good but not the level many on this site are hoping for Nunez. The Twins might expect one of those two for Nunez.

 

Do you trade Nunez for a guy who projects to be a back end starter with the need to be put on the 40 in the winter?

[beckmt]

 

If no one in the league equates playing SS and 3B poorly with defensive versatility and the best offer is a C/C+ prospect with a rule 5 decision coming up, do you take the best offer?

The Mets gave up a C+ prospect and a prospect outside the top 20 for Juan Uribe (and Kelly Johnson) last year. John Gant was up for rule 5. He was recently called up to the majors. At the time Sickels wrote that he was a innings eating 5th starter type. The other player, Whalen, had a better ceiling but also a likelihood of a back end starter or bullpen arm.

Uribe is an excellent defensive 3B and was hitting well. I would think his overall game has more value in helping a team reach the playoffs. Kelly Johnson had an OPS of .772 at the time of the trade. Both guys were key players for the Mets in the second half. Their return was good but not the level many on this site are hoping for Nunez. The Twins might expect one of those two for Nunez.

Do you trade Nunez for a guy who projects to be a back end starter with the need to be put on the 40 in the winter?

No you trade him for an A+ or A player who has a bigger upside.  There is no reason to trade Nunez without this type of return.

[bird]

 

They've been anointing guys The Next Logan Darnell for years now. Can anyone really predict The Next Logan Darnell?

 

 

Well duh. Sam Clay.

[bird]

 

We should ask Logan Darnell.  It might even deserve it's own place among Ryan's advisors when he retire.  I'm sure he'd accept a cushy job predicting future Triple A LOOGEYs that are occasionally, mistakenly thought to be valuable or even starters.

 

Hell, they don't need to pay someone an exorbitant hourly wage for that information when we can just fire it over the internet to them.

 

I mean, who among us doesn't know that David Hurlbut is the next Pat Dean and that Domenick Carlini is the next Jason Wheeler?

[drivlikejehu]

Nunez potentially blocks younger players, e.g., Polanco, from getting at bats. That is reason enough to trade him. A win or two this year and next year have no meaning.

[Shaitan]

 

Good question!  Nunez is making $1.48 mil this year.  While his good performance this year will boost it, arb increases seem relative to previous salary too.  Probably $3-4 mil for Nunez next year, depending on his second half?

 

That makes it even tougher. I'm starting to think his performance is real, given his bat in 2015 being solid as well. But on this team, trade him if it's a real offer, keep him if it's pittance. 

 

He's got hustle, skip.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I'd keep Nunez. His glove and arm are generally suspect (which depresses his value) but he can back up several positions and occasionally does something amazing out in the field. And he has spark as a hitter and base runner. Good complementary player and good find.

[jimmer]

 

I'd keep Nunez. His glove and arm are generally suspect (which depresses his value) but he can back up several positions and occasionally does something amazing out in the field. And he has spark as a hitter and base runner. Good complementary player and good find.

He's a fine example of a truly valuable utility IF who doesn't disappoint if he has to play more than a utility guy would normally be called to do.  A guy like that has value.