May 10, 201610 yr The 10th ranked C by WAR (Miguel Montero) was also a 2 win improvement over Suzuki. May not seem like much, but 2 wins are pretty expensive.2 wins at catcher. If we had a nuetral defender in RF that would be a 3 WAR improvement. Better pen....And so on.
May 10, 201610 yr I used Swihart and Escobar's career numbers according to Baseball reference, what was wrong about those numbers? I used OBP because as you said, their slg% is the same, and OPS is a pretty poor stat anyways since most agree OBP >>> SLG% I don't know enough about Swihart, other than prospect rankings and looking at the numbers. I don't think I ever once said I would give up Berrios for him... but it certainly would take a heck of a lot more than some of the other names thrown around on here (Duffey, Gibson, Santana, etc). I would certainly give up Jay or Gonsalves.. thought I think the Red Sox would decline quickly. Has the prospect luster worn off or something, I know they have Vazquez, but they have plenty of prospects and money He was Keith Law's 10th ranked prospect going into last season. I don't see them giving up something of value for a scrap heap Twins pitcher. My Bad The .550 OPS you used was for Suzuki I got all Escobar when reading it. Anyway... I'm glad you wouldn't trade Berrios because that is what Boston will be asking for. One more thing... The difference between .301 OBP and .324 OBP is around 10 more walks or hits over the course of a season. You pay a premium for slight upgrades when a position is scarce unless... well... I don't believe in WAR.
May 10, 201610 yr Anyway... I'm glad you wouldn't trade Berrios because that is what Boston will be asking for. Don't get too excited, because I wouldn't hesitate to trade Berrios for a top 5 catcher in the league type young player with multiple years of control... I just don't know enough about Swihart to say he's that guy
May 10, 201610 yr Hope your day at work gets better and don't worry about the snark... You and me are cool. I just think you were missing my point. The reason I'm comparing the potential output to other positions was to illustrate what you get in return. Yes you can upgrade the catcher position but the price tag will be high and you have most likely downgraded another position to upgrade the catcher position and you end up with someone who hits like Escober. I don't know what stats you are using to state that the Twins have the worst catching in the league... I can believe that they have the worst catching in MLB but I also think it's quite possible that the difference between 30th and 10th isn't that large because catching sucks offensively around the league. Keep in mind... I'm not a WAR guy so that won't help change my mind. I see your point on comparing the potential output to other positions. I'm just not sure if it's a fair comparison. If we compare catcher to catcher, if the team acquires someone that hits like Escobar, IMO that gives them an advantage over the competition. Here's the fangraphs team stats page.. You're not a WAR guy, and neither am I. Pick your poison: BA - last HR - last RBI - last - OPS - 29th. The difference between 30th and 10th is .100 points on BA, .324 on OPS... It's just a really bad situation here in Minnesota.
May 10, 201610 yr One more thing... The difference between .301 OBP and .324 OBP is around 10 more walks or hits over the course of a season. Or if your speaking about Rosario or Escobar - 10 walks is about 1000% increase. I guess it depends on how you look at it.
May 10, 201610 yr Don't get too excited, because I wouldn't hesitate to trade Berrios for a top 5 catcher in the league type young player with multiple years of control... I just don't know enough about Swihart to say he's that guy OK Consider my excitement officially muted.
May 10, 201610 yr Wow! that is one crazy auto correct......wow. sometimes my phone picks the most strange words.......though peyote may explain the decision making going on right now..... I was wondering why you kept talking about peyote. Twins are off to a rough start, but hallucinogenics? Really??
May 10, 201610 yr I see your point on comparing the potential output to other positions. I'm just not sure if it's a fair comparison. If we compare catcher to catcher, if the team acquires someone that hits like Escobar, IMO that gives them an advantage over the competition. Here's the fangraphs team stats page.. You're not a WAR guy, and neither am I. Pick your poison: BA - last HR - last RBI - last - OPS - 29th. The difference between 30th and 10th is .100 points on BA, .324 on OPS... It's just a really bad situation here in Minnesota. You are using 2016 data... If the Twins stay at .160 for the entire year we should probably just throw Arcia back there and say... there ya go... fixed it. You will see larger swings in data with less data. I'm not comparing to other positions to be unfair... I'm doing so to illustrate that you pay alot for a little. Yes you can upgrade the C position and have that advantage over other teams but in order to do so... you will have to downgrade another position that typically produces more. In a nutshell... If I have 10 bucks to spend Swihart costs 10 bucksJackie Bradley Jr. also costs 10 bucks I'm going to get more production from Junior and that's who I'm spending my 10 bucks on .
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