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Article: Kyle Gibson Makes First Rehab Start

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YES Yeah buddy

Gibby is on the comeback trail.... he's our Scott Baker V 2.0.

 

Gibby and Baker in the 2 and 3 slots in the rotation by mid-season next yr. and Diamond and Hendriks or De Vries or Dedundo in the back end isn't too shabby.

 

just need that top or opening day starter.... Shawn Marcum? - Klye Lohse? - ANibal Sanchez?

 

Sanchez would get my vote...

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kab21 GCL Twins

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Right, but what you're really worried about when bringing up a prospect is having them become a super 2 with arb. I forget the exact qualifying numbers, but bringing them up in september would have little impact on it if the Twins plan to have him in the rotation from day 1 next year. If they don't, then there isn't much of a point to have him up unless they let him start.

Super 2 is one reason to delay his callup but delaying his FA is another. If you wait until May 2013 to call him he'll be a super 2 but there will be one additional year before he is eligible for FA. That is a big deal and more important than super 2 imo. Super 2 costs money but the player is still in the org.

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Maybe I'm missing something, I don't want to look up the info, and I'm sure there are noobs on here that have no idea what a super 2 is. So (common voice)... If Gibson were to come up this Sept. then sent back to AAA until May of 2013, he would then probably qualify as a super 2 since in 2013 he would get enough innings. If they waited until mid June he might not quality, since he might not get enough innings. However, the IP or PA varies slightly every year right? So, even if he becomes a super 2, why would his appearance in September have anything to do with it? A player has a certain number of years of service time before arb (3 right?). So, a super 2 would basically mean 2013 would count as an arb year, regardless of his appearance in 2012. Like I said, I'm not looking this up and will take your word for it if I'm wrong.

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I think he'd need to pitch a bit more than this September to be a super 2 for 2015.. The problem is that there's no guarantee his arb clock should even be starting in 2013. Unless he's actually dominating in Rochester come May of next year, I'd imagine he's going to spend most of that season down there... which will make him a super 2 for the 2016 season.

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I think he'd need to pitch a bit more than this September to be a super 2 for 2015.. The problem is that there's no guarantee his arb clock should even be starting in 2013. Unless he's actually dominating in Rochester come May of next year, I'd imagine he's going to spend most of that season down there... which will make him a super 2 for the 2016 season.

Correct... I think. The amount he would pitch in Sept this year wouldn't make as much of a difference as when the Twins call him up next year.

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With the new CBA, the top 22% of players with less than 3 years of service will be a "Super 2". (That number is up from 17% previously).

 

So, long story longer, more players will be Super-2s pushing the service time cutoff down (and making that "call-up" date even earlier). Follow?

 

At any rate, it's impossible to know what that cutoff will be, but if that's a consideration, I wouldn't call him up until at least the end of June.

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With the new CBA, the top 22% of players with less than 3 years of service will be a "Super 2". (That number is up from 17% previously).

 

So, long story longer, more players will be Super-2s pushing the service time cutoff down (and making that "call-up" date even earlier). Follow?

 

At any rate, it's impossible to know what that cutoff will be, but if that's a consideration, I wouldn't call him up until at least the end of June.

I knew it was a percentage, just didn't have the exact number. That extra 5% must be a compromise for the hard slot. I like it though. Teams should be more concerned with development than when they will actually have to start paying a player... In theory at least. There will always be situations like the O's and Weiters where it is obvious and just stupid to deny the reason for not calling a guy up.

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kab21 GCL Twins

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Correct... I think. The amount he would pitch in Sept this year wouldn't make as much of a difference as when the Twins call him up next year.

The amount that you pitch does not matter. Super 2 and when you can become a FA depends entirely on the amount of service time (days on the MLB roster) that you have.

 

But I thought it was already decided said that he was going to the AFL in September.

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Gibson said he's going to the AFL, so I'd assume that has been decided. That doesn't count towards service time though.

Yeah, I think it probably means we won't see him in Minnesota this Sept as they will still be cautious with his innings.
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I didn't really expect him to be in Minnesota this September anyway and I'm okay with that.

Yeah, I think September was overly ambitious anyway. At the very least, I'd expect to see him up next September. If all goes well, hopefully sooner.

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