July 14, 201214 yr While Liriano might have the "best arm" in the system he has been one of the 10 worst starting pitchers in baseball over the last 5 years. Interestingly enough so are Blackburn and Pavano. How do you measure that? W-L record? ERA? The only Twins starter who has been decent over that time frame is Baker. Last five years time frame?You are forgetting Slowey.
July 14, 201214 yr While Liriano might have the "best arm" in the system he has been one of the 10 worst starting pitchers in baseball over the last 5 years. Interestingly enough so are Blackburn and Pavano. The only Twins starter who has been decent over that time frame is Baker.There is no way Liriano has been one of the worst 5 SP in MLB over the last 5 years. I agree Blacky probably has been the worst over that timeframe and Pavano may be top 5. If not for their contracts and the clueless Twins front office they both would be unemployed. I can't imagine Liriano has been worse than those 2, Livan, Drabek, Zito (close), Jon Sanchez, Cook, Marquis off the top of my head.
July 14, 201214 yr 10=0 in this case.Exactly, that is the MAJOR problem with this organization and cannot be fixed overnight or in one offseason for that matter.
July 14, 201214 yr There is no way Liriano has been one of the worst 5 SP in MLB over the last 5 Years.I dont know about the last five years, but you can pretty much pick your stat in 2009 and 2011 and he's one of the worst in baseball. Hell even Blacky had a K/9 better or similar which is supposedly the main reason to resign him.
July 14, 201214 yr I more concerned about the Liriano we have seen lately after his demotion to the pen. Last 9 starts: 57.1 IP 67k 25 BB (Would be nice to get this a bit lower) 34 H 2.83 ERA That is not a fluke! The guy has potential to be great in this league!
July 15, 201214 yr I wont hold against him that the majority of these were against baseball's worst offenses - he's been very good. But the "april doesnt count" bit is just a bit. They do count and Liriano's full season stats are still mediocre to subpar on the season. 2010 was far more impressive than this and how did he follow that?
July 17, 201214 yr How do you measure that? W-L record? ERA? Last five years time frame?You are forgetting Slowey.I was measuring by ERA or ERA+ .... there were no advanced metrics available to sort by. If you want to go by WHIP he was the 14th worst out of 86. I went with 5 years because that is when he came back from TJ surgery. I think much of the confusion is in my parameters so let me clarify that. Starting pitchers who have pitched 600+ innings in the last 5 years. Certainly there have been worse pitchers who have not lasted the whole 5 years but that doesn't really matter much. Those pitchers were rightfully let go. So when you look at pitchers who have pitched a significant portion of those years Liriano has been one of the worst. So I'll reiterate. Yes, at times he has great stuff but he can't seem to put the whole package together and be a good pitcher. Here is my search:http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/season_finder.cgi?type=p#ajax_result_table::21
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