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Article: Game Thread: Twins v Orioles, 7/6 @ 7:10pm CT


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Chris Parmelee and the Baltimore Orioles are the next victims on the Twins climb to the playoffs.

Yeah... that Chris Parmelee... That guy who used to be a struggling Twin and is now a somewhat turning it around Oriole.

Being a GM is hard... I'm sure there was a part of Terry Ryan who believed in Chris Parmelee but sometimes the player doesn't show it and roster space just can't be held any longer.

I always liked Parmelee... I thought he should have played more to see what he could do. Gardenhire must have felt differently because Parmelee was getting bench sores.

Here are some things to think about:

 

1. Royals Series in Review -- Here's the deal... We came closer to sweeping the Royals then the Royals came close to sweeping us. The Royals had to pull off a couple of walk-off wins in order to avoid getting swept. According to Dick and Bert... the Royals hadn't had a walk-off win all year. Now they have two... glad we could help. Also according to Dick and Bert... kidney Beans are actually kidneys. I heard them discussing that a couple of years ago when Trevor Plouffe flew out to LF. Disclaimer... there is no connection between Plouffe and Kidneys... I'm not that clever.

2. The Orioles and identical Records -- The Twins are currently 43-39 and the Orioles are currently 43-39. This is just plain wrong at this time of year. Here's why... Teams are not supposed to have played the same amount of games. One team can play 82 games but the other needs to play 83 or 79. That's why there are half game leads in division races. I know this because I don't have a (1/2) button on my keyboard and there are many times that I need it. Typing ( .5) in its place... sucks.

3. The Half Way Point -- We are past the half way point and I know this because I just did the math in my head... Yeah... that's right... no calculator... just pure math in my head. Forty-three plus 39 equals 82 and that means we are past the half way point. The Twins were 43 and 38 in the first half and if they do it again... they will finish with 86... again... that was math done in my head. The Twins are really screwing up their chances of getting a real good draft pick.

4. Sano and Santana -- They both made their Twins debut this weekend and they both made decent debuts. Sano and Santana both tried real hard to win the game yesterday. Actually... if we would have had a team full of Sano's and Santana's... we would have won the game. However... the team photo would look really strange.Would you put all the Sano's on one side and the Santana's on the other. And would you place them all randomly?

5. Donations -- Had a surprise knock on the door Saturday Morning... I wasn't expecting anyone so I was a little worried that death was on the other side. Turned out to be a Mom and her young daughter going door to door for donations for a new swimming pool in town. Being new in town... I felt compelled to contribute and I grabbed my wallet. The wallet was empty because I didn't get to an ATM. So I gave her a bottle of water.
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Game-time forecast: 71 deg F, clearing with a 0% chance of precipitation, winds from the NNW at 10mph.

Lineups:

ORIOLES
Machado 3B
Paredes DH
Jones CF
Davis RF
Wieters C
Hardy SS
Parmelee 1B
Schoop 2B
Lough LF

Chen P

TWINS
Dozier 2B
Hunter RF
Mauer 1B
Plouffe 3B
Sano DH
Rosario LF
Hicks CF
Suzuki C
Santana SS

Hughes P

Play ball! Go Twins!

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A truly delicious opener for today.  I honestly did not know that stuff about kidney-beans.  

 

Well, those day games-  1 or 2 AM for me over here, so I missed the last one, fortunately.  And glad I did.  Nothing like losing a good night's sleep only for a nightmare to occur at the end.  And for those of you whose afternoons were bushwhacked by the Boyer/Thompson SuckTwin Express, my sympathies.  Seriously, TR and Molly- what the heck are those two doing on the roster?  We've sent Arcia, Vargas, Hicks, and others down to "get right."  Why not these guys? How many more games to we get to witness one or both of them blow a winnable game? Surely, the AAA options we have cannot be worse than these blokes.  Get Achter up here, or at least Lester.  Thielbar has not done well lately, but how can he be worse than Thompson right now?  Or even O'Rourke, Darnell?  Come on--

And who did we sign in response to these meltdowns?  Scott Atchison?  Jeepers, I'm over 50 and he looks like MY dad. 

 

Oops, sorry.  I went on too long.  Just had to get that off my chest.

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5. Donations -- Had a surprise knock on the door Saturday Morning... I wasn't expecting anyone so I was a little worried that death was on the other side. Turned out to be a Mom and her young daughter going door to door for donations for a new swimming pool in town. Being new in town... I felt compelled to contribute and I grabbed my wallet. The wallet was empty because I didn't get to an ATM. So I gave her a bottle of water.

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Do they still have "checks" in your world?

 

Some of us still use them.  

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And who did we sign in response to these meltdowns?  Scott Atchison?  Jeepers, I'm over 50 and he looks like MY dad.

Scott Atchison looks like...

http://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/images-014/headshots/2/210156b0_mlbam.jpg

oh good lord, he looks like too many guys to narrow it down to anyone in particular.

 

I'll go with "the foreman at the Waste Management substation who gave me grief the other day when I wanted to drop off one too many bags of pine needles."

 

Though he could also be "Henchman #3" in the closing credits of an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie.

 

/ bb-ref.com shows he has earned $4.523M in his career, so maybe I should just call him "Sir".

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1. Royals Series in Review -- Here's the deal... We came closer to sweeping the Royals then the Royals came close to sweeping us. The Royals had to pull off a couple of walk-off wins in order to avoid getting swept. According to Dick and Bert... the Royals hadn't had a walk-off win all year. Now they have two... glad we could help.

Let's see: in a 2-2 split of the series, Twins starters went 26 innings and gave up 6 runs, Perkins pitched two innings and shut them out, and the rest of the bullpen went 7.1 innings and gave up 3.

 

Prorated to 36 innings the non-Perkins bullpen was going at the rate of 15 runs. A league average pace would have been 17.

 

Meanwhile in 4 games the Twins offense totaled 11 runs. A league average pace would have been, ummmm, 17.

 

And some are going to assign blame for not sweeping to... the stiffs in the bullpen?

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'Frank Thomas has the most career plate appearances without a sacrifice hit (10,075). Next on the list are Harmon Killebrew (9,933) and Vladimir Guerrero (9,059). Thanks to the esteemed Adam Darowski of Hall of Stats for this tasty bit of don’t-waste-outs info.'

 

Isn't a sacrifice hit an oxymoron?  I mean, in baseball terminology, a sacrifice implies you are out, but you advance/score a teammate.  A hit implies you safely reach at least first base.  So would a sacrifice hit be you get a single, and purposely try to advance to second, drawing a throw that you know will get you out, but also draws attention away from the runner rounding third and heading home?

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Isn't a sacrifice hit an oxymoron?  I mean, in baseball terminology, a sacrifice implies you are out, but you advance/score a teammate.  A hit implies you safely reach at least first base.  So would a sacrifice hit be you get a single, and purposely try to advance to second, drawing a throw that you know will get you out, but also draws attention away from the runner rounding third and heading home?

Sure, but that's such standard strategy it's hardly worth mentioning.

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Isn't a sacrifice hit an oxymoron?  I mean, in baseball terminology, a sacrifice implies you are out, but you advance/score a teammate.  A hit implies you safely reach at least first base.  So would a sacrifice hit be you get a single, and purposely try to advance to second, drawing a throw that you know will get you out, but also draws attention away from the runner rounding third and heading home?

There are two types of hits - Base hits and Sacrifice Hits.

 

Base hits require the batter to reach safely. Sacrifice Hits require the runner(s) already on base to advance. If the batter makes contact with the ball and is out and the runners do not advance, it is not a hit of any kind.

 

 

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Let's see: in a 2-2 split of the series, Twins starters went 26 innings and gave up 6 runs, Perkins pitched two innings and shut them out, and the rest of the bullpen went 7.1 innings and gave up 3.

 

Prorated to 36 innings the non-Perkins bullpen was going at the rate of 15 runs. A league average pace would have been 17.

 

Meanwhile in 4 games the Twins offense totaled 11 runs. A league average pace would have been, ummmm, 17.

 

And some are going to assign blame for not sweeping to... the stiffs in the bullpen?

 

Interesting. Interesting. But it's also easy and fun to rag on the stiffs in the bullpen. So.... Yeah.

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Let's see: in a 2-2 split of the series, Twins starters went 26 innings and gave up 6 runs, Perkins pitched two innings and shut them out, and the rest of the bullpen went 7.1 innings and gave up 3.

 

Prorated to 36 innings the non-Perkins bullpen was going at the rate of 15 runs. A league average pace would have been 17.

 

Meanwhile in 4 games the Twins offense totaled 11 runs. A league average pace would have been, ummmm, 17.

 

And some are going to assign blame for not sweeping to... the stiffs in the bullpen?

Yes

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Scott Atchison looks like...

http://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/images-014/headshots/2/210156b0_mlbam.jpg

oh good lord, he looks like too many guys to narrow it down to anyone in particular.

 

I'll go with "the foreman at the Waste Management substation who gave me grief the other day when I wanted to drop off one too many bags of pine needles."

 

Though he could also be "Henchman #3" in the closing credits of an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie.

 

/ bb-ref.com shows he has earned $4.523M in his career, so maybe I should just call him "Sir".

I was thinking Billy Bob Thornton's stand-in or the guy who plays Billy Bob's Dad.

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The rain currently pelting Target Field is projected to be clear of the area in a couple hours, replaced by clear skies. Gametime: mid-sixties with a breeze toward right field.

Thanks for posting this. I am currently on a plane. Lineups will come when I'm home.

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There are two types of hits - Base hits and Sacrifice Hits.

 

Base hits require the batter to reach safely. Sacrifice Hits require the runner(s) already on base to advance. If the batter makes contact with the ball and is out and the runners do not advance, it is not a hit of any kind.

 

That is eminently logical, thank you sir.    That being said, under that definition, a sacrifice fly would be a sacrifice hit; Are we really saying Frank Thomas had 10,000+ AB's, and never hit a deep fly ball out with a runner on third and less than 2 outs?

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'What is Sacrifice Hit or Bunt - SAC?

 

A strategic play by the batter where the ball is bunt by the hitter for the purpose of helping a runner on base progress around the bases. Batters are awarded a Sacrifice Hit if they are put out and a runner progresses to another base but don't receive an At Bat on the play.

The terms "Sacrifice Hit" and "Sacrifice Bunt" are interchangeable and is also symbolized by an "S" or "SH".'

 

'In baseball, a sacrifice bunt (also called a sacrifice hit) is a batter's act of deliberately bunting the ball, before there are two outs, in a manner that allows a runner on base to advance to another base. The batter is almost always sacrificed (and to a certain degree that is the intent of the batter) but sometimes reaches base due to an error or fielder's choice. Sometimes the batter may safely reach base by simply outrunning the throw to first; this is not scored as a sacrifice bunt but rather a single.

 

In the Major Leagues, sacrifice bunts reduce the average runs scored but increase the likelihood of scoring once. However, they can increase the average runs scored in an inning if the batter is a weak hitter.

 

A successful sacrifice bunt does not count as an at bat, does not impact a player's batting average, and counts as a plate appearance. However, unlike a sacrifice fly, a sacrifice bunt does not count against a player in determining on-base percentage. If the official scorer believes that the batter was attempting to bunt for a base hit, and not solely to advance the runners, the batter is charged an at bat and is not credited with a sacrifice bunt.'

 

 

Sac hit/sac bunt not to be confused with a sacrifice fly.

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That is eminently logical, thank you sir.    That being said, under that definition, a sacrifice fly would be a sacrifice hit; Are we really saying Frank Thomas had 10,000+ AB's, and never hit a deep fly ball out with a runner on third and less than 2 outs?

They made a separate column for Sacrifice flys, at some point, possibly because sacrifice hits are usually on purpose (I.e. intentionally giving up an out) vs. Sac Flies, which are really failures to get a base hit and they wanted to differentiate the two things.

It's a way to still give credit for the runner advancing, but not a "hit" because the batter failed.

 

It is a gray area, to be sure... A sacrifice bunt is usually obvious that a batter is giving up an out. I think the sacrifice in which a batter unintentionally grounds out, but a runner still scores from third is now called an RBI groundout and not a sacrifice.

 

On the RBI Groundout, the batter is given an official at bat, with no hit lowering the batting average. With a sacrifice, there's no at bat given, so it doesn't hurt the batting average .

 

I'd like to ask an official scorer to talk about the situations in which they would score something a Sacrifice Hit when it is not a bunted ball. Seems like that would be rare in the current scoring environment.

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I'm getting a premonition that one of the mods is going to split this discussion off into its own thread for going off topic.

Nah. It's a game thread. Almost anything goes. Baseball talk, good. Once lineups are posted and game time is near, it'll redirect on its own.

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