Received a message last night that Jose Berrios has been promoted to Rochester. This morning, Darren Wolfson of 1500 ESPN confirmed that news. 

 

In 23 total starts at Double-A, Berrios went 11-7 with a 3.23 ERA and 120-to-36 K/BB ratio over 131 innings. He will appear in his second consecutive Futures Game on July 12th. He's now just one step away from the majors.

 

How long until Berrios debuts for the Twins?

 

 

As intriguing as that is, where exactly would he fit right now?  There's already a logjam in the rotation, or at least there will be on July 5th.   

 

As intriguing as that is, where exactly would he fit right now?  There's already a logjam in the rotation, or at least there will be on July 5th.   

 

Plus 40 man issues in the offseason. Twins will probably hesitate to add him for only a September callup or cup of coffee. If he makes the bigs, it will be with a plan to stay.

 

And saying that, they'll probably bring him up mid-August to provide a shot to the bullpen if the Twins are still hanging around playoff contention.

Cool. Hopefully Sano, Polanco, and Kepler will follow soon.

I wonder how much of a factor having ready replacements for Chattanooga has in deciding who and when to promote someone.  Peavy went up a week ago because Wheeler needed to go down.  I would guess Berrios' spot in the lookout rotation goes to Hu.  Is anyone available to step in for Sano?  Could that effect his call-up?

 

Cool. Hopefully Sano, Polanco, and Kepler will follow soon.

 

Kepler will likely be next year, IMO.

 

I wonder how much of a factor having ready replacements for Chattanooga has in deciding who and when to promote someone.  Peavy went up a week ago because Wheeler needed to go down.  I would guess Berrios' spot in the lookout rotation goes to Hu.  Is anyone available to step in for Sano?  Could that effect his call-up?

 

Send down the guy playing 3B in Rochester?

Barring a rash of injuries, or sudden trade interest and value in Pelfrey, Milone and/or Nolasco....not until next season. There is no current need or opening to rush a 21 yo kid to the majors after a AAA cup of coffee.

 

Pace him appropriately...he's already a tremendously fast riser...keep developing him, and make him the absolutely most ready you can to be a legitimate rotation candidate for 2016.

 

Now, I will say, if it doesn't mess with the 40 man too early, or create service time issues that could be easily avoided, I could see some Septemer IP IF the Twins felt that would help prepare him for the pressures and demands of being on the big stage. Sort of a soft opening before the curtain rises for good.

JO Berrios himself has confirmed his promotion on Twitter.

 

Barring a rash of injuries, or sudden trade interest and value in Pelfrey, Milone and/or Nolasco....not until next season. There is no current need or opening to rush a 21 yo kid to the majors after a AAA cup of coffee.

Pace him appropriately...he's already a tremendously fast riser...keep developing him, and make him the absolutely most ready you can to be a legitimate rotation candidate for 2016.

Now, I will say, if it doesn't mess with the 40 man too early, or create service time issues that could be easily avoided, I could see some Septemer IP IF the Twins felt that would help prepare him for the pressures and demands of being on the big stage. Sort of a soft opening before the curtain rises for good.

 

I agree with this

Good for Berrios!

 

I wonder... the Twins philosophy has been to hold winning minor league teammates together. Maybe Sano, Polanco and Kepler will be elevated to AAA in the next month. There will certainly be enough pitching at AAA to be competitive and no one is blocking their positions. 

 

Of course, Sano could be called up to the show.

 

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Barring a rash of injuries, or sudden trade interest and value in Pelfrey, Milone and/or Nolasco....not until next season. There is no current need or opening to rush a 21 yo kid to the majors after a AAA cup of coffee.

Pace him appropriately...he's already a tremendously fast riser...keep developing him, and make him the absolutely most ready you can to be a legitimate rotation candidate for 2016.

Now, I will say, if it doesn't mess with the 40 man too early, or create service time issues that could be easily avoided, I could see some Septemer IP IF the Twins felt that would help prepare him for the pressures and demands of being on the big stage. Sort of a soft opening before the curtain rises for good.

HUH?  21 is an adult.  Many HOFers were in the majors when they were 21 (also quite a few of the HO very good players as well as future busts).  When Buxton was promoted not long ago, were you one of those screaming "...No! He's too young!

Berrios has nothing left to prove AA, timing is right to move up. My guess is he takes Santana's spot in the rotation.

 

The Lookouts now need pitching help. The team ERA is over 4, bring up a couple of starters. I saw Baxendale couple days ago pitching out of the pen, after his rehab ended. What's up with that, are saving innings with him

Here is what Kiley just said in his chat:

 

Kiley McDaniel

Upside better than all of them, hard to say how he'll react to the best competition he's ever seen. That said, I saw him about a month ago and he's the best pitcher I've seen all year. He was ready for MLB that night and Terry Ryan was two rows in front of me.

 

Comment From James

Is Jose Berrios ready for the majors or more to work on? Better yet: if called to the majors, where would you slot him amongst Hughes, Erv, Gibson, Pelfrey, May?

 

HUH?  21 is an adult.  Many HOFers were in the majors when they were 21 (also quite a few of the HO very good players as well as future busts).  When Buxton was promoted not long ago, were you one of those screaming "...No! He's too young!

 

For me, I'm of the mind that all things being equal (but when are they ever?), pitchers should be promoted earlier than batters.  Not only is the shelf life for a pitcher generally shorter than a batter, but pitchers are the causation to the batters reaction in the pitcher/batter matchups.  It's the batters who have to first learn to react and adapt to a pitcher, not the other way around.

I would hate to keep Berrios in the minors because we have studs like Milone, Pelfrey, Nolasco, etc. in front of him. He will very likely be much better than those guys so I would have no problem with him taking their spots in the rotation. I do think he should remain in Rochester until August-September, unless he plays his way out of the minors

 

For me, I'm of the mind that all things being equal (but when are they ever?), pitchers should be promoted earlier than batters.  Not only is the shelf life for a pitcher generally shorter than a batter, but pitchers are the causation to the batters reaction in the pitcher/batter matchups.  It's the batters who have to first learn to react and adapt to a pitcher, not the other way around.

 

I generally agree with this....him being up this year or next is good speed to me......

I sense that the pitching staff as a whole is hitting a wall.  I would not be surprised to see an IR stint for one or more of the starters in the coming weeks.   

 

A couple of starts for Berrios at AAA before the all-star break will tell us a great deal about his readiness to take the next step.   Assuming all goes well with his starts and the likelihood of one or more starters faltering, I see a late July call up as a possibility.

 

 

I would hate to keep Berrios in the minors because we have studs like Milone, Pelfrey, Nolasco, etc. in front of him. He will very likely be much better than those guys so I would have no problem with him taking their spots in the rotation. I do think he should remain in Rochester until August-September, unless he plays his way out of the minors

 

 

Let's be mindful that, in his first couple dozen starts, he may not be as good as studs like Milone, Pelfrey, Nolasco, etc. Gibson wasn't. May wasn't. Meyer isn't.

 

Let's be mindful that, in his first couple dozen starts, he may not be as good as studs like Milone, Pelfrey, Nolasco, etc. Gibson wasn't. May wasn't. Meyer isn't.

 

Isn't that reason to get him up sooner.....so he's good sooner next year?

For me, I'm of the mind that all things being equal (but when are they ever?), pitchers should be promoted earlier than batters.  Not only is the shelf life for a pitcher generally shorter than a batter, but pitchers are the causation to the batters reaction in the pitcher/batter matchups.  It's the batters who have to first learn to react and adapt to a pitcher, not the other way around.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Let's be mindful that, in his first couple dozen starts, he may not be as good as studs like Milone, Pelfrey, Nolasco, etc. Gibson wasn't. May wasn't. Meyer isn't.

Both Meyer and May had a lot of struggles with command, which lead to their struggles early on. May has seemed to adjust and start to throw more strikes while Meyer has not. Neither one of them dominated the minors the way Berrios has.

 

From what I've heard, Berrios has excellent command so I would think he would be more successful early on than those two

 

Isn't that reason to get him up sooner.....so he's good sooner next year?

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I sense that the pitching staff as a whole is hitting a wall.  I would not be surprised to see an IR stint for one or more of the starters in the coming weeks.

This isn't football. It's called the Disabled List in baseball.

Let's be mindful that, in his first couple dozen starts, he may not be as good as studs like Milone, Pelfrey, Nolasco, etc. Gibson wasn't. May wasn't. Meyer isn't.

There is no way he will be worse than Pelfrey was last night.

 

This isn't football. It's called the Disabled List in baseball.

Sorry for my misstep. Hope i didn't ruin your day. Maybe you should take a nap - you seem a little crabby.

Congrats

As alluded to above, Berrios doesn't NEED to be added to the 40-man for Rule 5 protection until next year.

 

But, neither did Buxton, and I suspect most top draft prospect MLB promotions don't wait for that deadline either.

If you make THAT argument, you probably can't credibly criticize the team if Berrios has a 7.98 ERA and averages 4.2 innings a start, or something like that. They're in contention. Wouldn't you be one of those people who might think they "punted" if they inserted a poor performer in the rotation right now?

 

There is no way he will be worse than Pelfrey was last night.

 

 

And...?