I worry that whatever the recounts (or other investigations) uncover will be paper-thin and circumstantial--leading to just enough wisps of hope that Democrats misdirect their efforts and resources--but hardly enough to affect the outcome of the election in any meaningful way.

 

I think it's a mistake for Clinton to 'join' the recount efforts. A third-party, maybe Russ Feingold,should provide oversight if it's needed.

Not necessarily. The easiest and most likely way that Russia would do it would be pretty easy to check. The manual ballot count won't match the count on the machine. That is pretty black and white.

Guess who said the following quotes: 

"Once you say that everybody should be covered, can't be denied coverage because they are sick – which most Americans would agree with that – you put yourself in a box. Insurance is about young people who are healthy buying insurance like you all to pay for me and him."

"If you don't have to buy insurance until you get sick, most people won't. That's where the mandate becomes important."
"Somebody's got to work through this problem. If we're going to accept the proposition that you can never be denied coverage because you've been sick, then somebody's got to create a system where people participate."

Trevor Noah was clearly a much more balanced and thoughtful person in this discussion, but we need more of this.  From both sides.

Credit to Brock for this one.   (And holy crap on just the sampling of Bernie dirt!)

 

And this writer just made my list of people to follow.  Damn.

Nice article. Trump being elected could ultimately help the Democratic party. Trump is going to destroy credibility to the republicans and provide a real chance to even the tides again. Too bad Pelosi maintained her position.

Nice article. Trump being elected could ultimately help the Democratic party. Trump is going to destroy credibility to the republicans and provide a real chance to even the tides again. Too bad Pelosi maintained her position.

If he fails.

 

If he doesn't (even by dumb luck)....well then things get really bad.

 

If he fails.

If he doesn't (even by dumb luck)....well then things get really bad.

Even if he fails, our populace may not care, or even know.

 

Like the Carrier deal, where he essentially traded corporate giveaways for jobs.  The only thing people will 'hear' is that the jobs didn't leave for Mexico.

 

Even if he fails, our populace may not care, or even know.

 

Like the Carrier deal, where he essentially traded corporate giveaways for jobs.  The only thing people will 'hear' is that less than half of the jobs didn't leave for Mexico.

FTFY. Well, OK, you're right, they won't hear what I added. Point taken.

 

And now, even Sarah Palin is weighing in on crony capitalism. Sanders/Palin 2020!

Whoa, she actually makes sense in that article. Is she backhanded criticizing that deal? Sure seems like it to me.

Whoa, she actually makes sense in that article. Is she backhanded criticizing that deal? Sure seems like it to me.

Backhanded? Forehand smash, more like.

So if he's making liberals and conservatives mad......is this a good thing?  Or the worst thing ever?

 

It's probably one or the other right?

Slightly off topic and I'm not sure if it's been addressed on here yet but has anyone else been enjoying SNL's Trump skits?

 

http://jezebel.com/trump-really-just-cannot-stop-watching-snl-1789659809

 

The scream at 4:05 in this one actually made me to a spit take.

I have to admit, they are killing it.  For that show, they couldn't have asked for a better result.

Is it time for a POTUS Donald trump thread?

I've enjoyed the hundreds of pages here, but now it seems the main talking points are what trump is doing.

I've enjoyed the hundreds of pages here, but now it seems the main talking points are what trump is doing.

Feel free to start your own thread. I agree that this thread has run its course now that the election is over.

This thread should be used for future elections etc

This thread should be locked.

This thread should be locked.

If there is consensus on that, I will.

This thread should be used for future elections etc

Future 2016 elections, for sure.

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This thread should be locked.

And stickied/pinned.  

 

And stickied/pinned.  

Heh ... it's easy enough to find using advanced search, so I don't think we need to pin it. But I'm locking it down. The end of a very long, messy season.