I guess that is the question.  Are pitchers with TJ damaged goods?  You can find a few all of famers who have had TJ.  It doesn't seem to be hurting Gibson.  Giolito, and many others.  
 

And for me you have a 1-1 talent available at #6.   And a guy that is a very, very rare commodity of size, lefty, and stuff.  What if he throws 93 instead of 95 and has an above average curve?  I will take that at 1-6 every day of the week.

 

Exactly.  Given how young he is and getting the surgery out of the way now is a positive in my mind. 

 

Lucas Giolito was drafted in 2012 not 2014. So its not really a comparison of him vs. Nick Gordon. Would you rather have Giolito or Byron Buxton?

 

As far as Aiken, maybe he's worth the risk at 6, but I highly doubt the Twins would take him there.

 

At this point i'd rather have Buxton for sure, but if Giolito had slipped from the first round (16th) to the second round (32nd) where the Twins might have had a shot at him, would you have taken him over Berrios?   

 

he will go in the top 10, maybe top 5 in this draft.

 

And, this time he will sign for slightly below slot.

 

I think it is a 20-30 percent shot that he is gone ahead of us.  The Rockies or Rangers are probably the only options though.  I agree he does not get to 10.

 

I think you're giving the Astros too much credit.  They dropped their offer to 3.15m but then raised it to 5 and he still refused.

That raise to $5 mil was a fairly last-second thing.  By that point, I think they had already turned him off with the $3.15 mil offer.

 

Remember, Aiken was already an under-slot guy for the #1 pick, before the physical.  So the Astros thought of him as a bit of a value pick, THEN got bad medicals on him -- that's a recipe for disaster.  And disaster is a bad thing when you're dealing with something as valuable (and hopefully rare) as a #1 overall draft choice.

 

With the #2 pick the next year as a fallback option (coupled with the #5 pick and slot value which gives them a ton of flexibility), the Astros seemingly made a fairly wise choice, given their already demonstrated valuations, in effectively passing on Aiken and Nix.

 

 

If Aiken is still a top-10 type guy, though, he's certainly worthy of another high selection.  Just probably not at the very top, which was possibly a stretch for him to begin with.

 

The Astros concluded he needed TJ and made a decision.  They either wanted Aiken for a very small amount of money or the 2nd pick the following year.  They probably low balled him knowing he would not take it.

 

No, that's not what they ever said.  They never said he needed surgery, just that his medicals showed an abnormally small UCL, which would make recovery from such a surgery much more difficult.  They then offered him more than he'll get as the #6 draft pick in order to sign, not that the Twins should be that excited about picking him at #6.

 

Exactly.  Given how young he is and getting the surgery out of the way now is a positive in my mind. 

 

Surgery is never, ever a positive. At all.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/03/quick-hits-forbes-yankees-kluber-aiken.html

 

I can see Boston taking a chance on him if he is available. They can afford the risk.

 

Surgery is never, ever a positive. At all.

 

Oh reallllyyyyy.....

 

Oh reallllyyyyy.....

 

No need to be facetious.  It was a flippant comment, I hope, but way too many people actually believe that it is a positive that he's having a surgery now before the draft.