Ryan admits that Twins are in sell mode

[gunnarthor]

Not a surprise - http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/central-notes-indians-royals-rios-twins-willingham-cards-peavy.html

 

Also lists Reds and Pirates as possible destinations for Willingham. Obviously, Twins and Pirates have made a few moves together the last few years and the Pirates system is one of the richest in the game.

[TKGuy]

Brewers have fallen back to earth, so four teams in that division may be buyers at the deadline.

[TheLeviathan]

Hopefully it happens and it isn't just talk. And hopefully people realize the returns aren't going to make us jump for joy (most likely) and that's ok too.

[Kirby_waved_at_me]

Something is better than nothing - if all the Twins do before the deadline is make room in the rotation for May and/or Meyer, that would be a step in the right direction.

 

I'm hopeful for more than that, though.

[DaveW]

Not a surprise - http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/central-notes-indians-royals-rios-twins-willingham-cards-peavy.html

 

Also lists Reds and Pirates as possible destinations for Willingham. Obviously, Twins and Pirates have made a few moves together the last few years and the Pirates system is one of the richest in the game.

With the way Twins----> Pirates players end up performing, let me say that I personally can't wait to see Willingham hit 30 HR in 60 games for them and Correia turn into the ace he always had inside him.

[DaveW]

Hopefully it happens and it isn't just talk. And hopefully people realize the returns aren't going to make us jump for joy (most likely) and that's ok too.

Yeah, the only one I can see bringing back a solid haul is Suzuki.

 

The bummer with Willingham has always been that it is never that hard to get no field big bat type guys on the FA market/trade deadline. Maybe he can heat up a bit though and Ryan can get someone to overpay a bit (He has done it before for sure)

 

Correia is what he is, a solid #5 who is better then what you can get from the waiver wire, but not THAT much better where you are going to part with a legitimate prospect. However I could see them getting back a cost controllable bullpen arm in return or a lottery ticket type prospect.

[TheLeviathan]

Yeah, the only one I can see bringing back a solid haul is Suzuki.

 

The bummer with Willingham has always been that it is never that hard to get no field big bat type guys on the FA market/trade deadline. Maybe he can heat up a bit though and Ryan can get someone to overpay a bit (He has done it before for sure)

 

Correia is what he is, a solid #5 who is better then what you can get from the waiver wire, but not THAT much better where you are going to part with a legitimate prospect. However I could see them getting back a cost controllable bullpen arm in return or a lottery ticket type prospect.

 

Or target some other team's talented headcase or scuffling prospect. Lots of ways to squeeze value out of these guys - we just have to do it. Too many quiet deadlines lately.

[nicksaviking]

Hopefully it happens and it isn't just talk. And hopefully people realize the returns aren't going to make us jump for joy (most likely) and that's ok too.

 

I'll only be upset if they again trade a vet who takes up one 40 man spot (and who would be off of it as a free agent come November) for two AAAA guys who both require 40 man spots.

 

This happened two deadlines in a row and it needs to stop.

[DaveW]

Or target some other team's talented headcase or scuffling prospect. Lots of ways to squeeze value out of these guys - we just have to do it. Too many quiet deadlines lately.

 

Correia for Delmon young.

 

Get it done Terry!

[Danchat]

Also remember that after July 31st it isn't over - we can trade guys in August too. That's when we dealed Morneau. So don't be too angry if we exit July without a trade yet.

[Boom Boom]

Also remember that after July 31st it isn't over - we can trade guys in August too. That's when we dealed Morneau. So don't be too angry if we exit July without a trade yet.

 

Trades in August get more complicated as the Twins wouldn't be able to necessarily choose which teams they want to deal with. That doesn't matter much regarding Morales, Willingham, or Correia, none of whom will bring back much anyway. But IMO Suzuki needs to be traded before the end of July.

[diehardtwinsfan]

August trades are a bit more complicated. The player needs to pass through waivers to be traded to anyone. If the player is claimed, only one team can be traded with or the Twins could choose to give the guy away.

 

I'd put the over/under on 2.1 players getting traded by the Twins. For all the talk about trading, seeing tons of guys move just doesn't happen. There's contracts as well as logistics to get scouts out there to look at potential targets. The one big advantage the Twins have this year is that they have veterans who aren't in the long term plans playing well at some positions of need.

 

That said, pulling off trades can be somewhat difficult and Ryan, to his credit, isn't going to trade just for making a trade.... the only real exception to that which I see would be KC given that there's some AAA guys making a case for a roster spot.

[James]

With the way Twins----> Pirates players end up performing, let me say that I personally can't wait to see Willingham hit 30 HR in 60 games for them and Correia turn into the ace he always had inside him.

Justin Morneau would like to argue you point about Twins players going to the Pirates and performing. I think it only applies to our pitchers. So you're prediction about Correia is clearly accurate.

[DaveW]

Justin Morneau would like to argue you point about Twins players going to the Pirates and performing. I think it only applies to our pitchers. So you're prediction about Correia is clearly accurate.

 

True. I was more referring to the Golden Calf (Garrett Jones) however.

[twinsfan34]

Hoping they move:

Willingham

Suzuki

Correia

Perkins

Burton

Morales

 

My bets:

Suzuki

Willingham

[DaveW]

Hoping they move:

Willingham

Suzuki

Correia

Perkins

Burton

Morales

 

My bets:

Suzuki

Willingham

I'd put Willingham and Correia at about 90% chances.

Morales, Burton and Suzuki around 50% (Suzuki I still think might sign)

and Perkins at 1%

[tobi0040]

Something is better than nothing - if all the Twins do before the deadline is make room in the rotation for May and/or Meyer, that would be a step in the right direction.

 

I'm hopeful for more than that, though.

 

I completely agree.

[tobi0040]

August trades are a bit more complicated. The player needs to pass through waivers to be traded to anyone. If the player is claimed, only one team can be traded with or the Twins could choose to give the guy away.

 

I'd put the over/under on 2.1 players getting traded by the Twins. For all the talk about trading, seeing tons of guys move just doesn't happen. There's contracts as well as logistics to get scouts out there to look at potential targets. The one big advantage the Twins have this year is that they have veterans who aren't in the long term plans playing well at some positions of need.

 

That said, pulling off trades can be somewhat difficult and Ryan, to his credit, isn't going to trade just for making a trade.... the only real exception to that which I see would be KC given that there's some AAA guys making a case for a roster spot.

 

I agree, KC and Josh need to be moved by 7/31. The price will only go down after that. To your point, you have the waiver process and the difference between getting a guy on 7/31 versus 8/31 is they can help your team for another 30 days if they go on 7/31.

[TwinsTerritory]

Here are my 3 trades. I just don't see the guys under contract (Dozier, Perkins) going anywhere and I don't think Correia has trade value.

 

1. Suzuki to the Dodgers for Tom Windle and Darnell Sweeney. Windle is a former Gopher LHP that is a top 10 prospect in the fairly strong Dodger org. Looks to be a back end starter that could also fill a relief role. Sweeney is a lower end prospect that plays some 2B, SS, and OF. Has some speed and power, but tends to strike out too much. The Dodgers are in win-now mode and Suzuki would present a solid upgrade over AJ Ellis and former TD favorite, Drew Butera.

 

2. Morales to the Mariners for Tyler Marlette. Marlette is a catcher and the #10 prospect in a fairly weak Mariner's organization. Reports are that he could be a major league starter or may end up as a solid #2. The Mariner's have a young catcher in Zunino, so they may not value that position as much going forward. If the Twins don't believe Pinto will stick behind the plate, this would be a nice prospect that the organization could use. There may be some hesitation about bringing back Morales, but if the Mariners have any hope of making the playoffs they need to score runs. Morales has looked a lot better in July and could play some 1B and DH while providing them a solid bat in the middle of their order.

 

3. Willingham to the Reds for AA pitcher Jon Moscot. Moscot doesn't have a high upside, but is a top 15 prospect in a so-so Red's farm system. He doesn't have a lot of upside, but could become a #4 or #5 starter. He also appears to throw a lot of strikes, which is something the Twins have generally valued. Reds really need to add a hitter with Votto and Phillips out and Willingham could slide into LF and the #6 spot in the line-up.

[Winston Smith]

I want to know which player is the .1?

[adjacent]

I see many people getting happy if the Twins move guys. I feel different. I have to see who they bring before having an opinion on whether I like a trade or not. Twins contenders or not, we still like to watch good games. If they trade Willingham (to mention the most obvious choice) for a "never will be", what does that accomplish? On the other hand, if it gets a nice prospect, someone with real chances to do something at the big leages, even if now he is at single A, then that is worth it.

[twinsnorth49]

Something is better than nothing - if all the Twins do before the deadline is make room in the rotation for May and/or Meyer, that would be a step in the right direction.

 

I'm hopeful for more than that, though.

 

Put me in this camp, I don't expect much but if it opens up spots for some fresh faces I'm happy.

[ashbury]

I'll only be upset if they again trade a vet who takes up one 40 man spot (and who would be off of it as a free agent come November) for two AAAA guys who both require 40 man spots.

 

This happened two deadlines in a row and it needs to stop.

 

I completely agree and would like to go further: instead of the 1-for-2 trades netting us the likes of Alex Presley and Pedro Hernandez, I'd prefer to go 2-for-1 and package the veteran that a particular team wants plus a C+ prospect at the same position that they give us a B+ prospect for (adjust downward if we're talking about Correia).

 

Willingham plus Dalton Hicks to the Reds for Jesse Winker, for example.

 

If that's aiming too high, so be it, can always come down, but I'd like to adjust that aim upward somehow.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Trades in August get more complicated as the Twins wouldn't be able to necessarily choose which teams they want to deal with. That doesn't matter much regarding Morales, Willingham, or Correia, none of whom will bring back much anyway. But IMO Suzuki needs to be traded before the end of July.

Agreed with Suzuki, but Morales, Nolasco and Willingham are the ideal August trade candidates. Their bloated contracts will ward off waiver claims, and it's late enough that contending teams dealing with injury become a little more "win now" oriented. Those trades usually involve cash considerations, but the Twins have short term cash wealth.

[Brandon]

I see many people getting happy if the Twins move guys. I feel different. I have to see who they bring before having an opinion on whether I like a trade or not. Twins contenders or not, we still like to watch good games. If they trade Willingham (to mention the most obvious choice) for a "never will be", what does that accomplish? On the other hand, if it gets a nice prospect, someone with real chances to do something at the big leages, even if now he is at single A, then that is worth it.

 

I feel the same way. I guess the twins are also trading up for better draft position next year. After getting swept by the Rays, I am starting to come around to the trade away everyone. (I don't get those that want to trade Perkins however If we traded him for equal talent in that trade we still loose.)

[Kirby_waved_at_me]

I think the players to avoid in return are those AAA/AAAA roster filler guys that would require a 40 Man spot. The Twins don't need any more fringe starters in the mold of Kris Johnson or Yohan Pino, nor do they need more Bernier type infielders.

 

Risks that could potentially pay off down the road would be worth it to make room on the current roster(s) for guys that are performing well and deserve a promotion. So, players in the low minors, or guys that were highly rated prospects that have fallen off this year and their stock has dropped would be good targets.

[TheLeviathan]

If they trade Willingham (to mention the most obvious choice) for a "never will be", what does that accomplish? .

 

The flip of that question is: what does keeping these guys for two more months accomplish?

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I don't see any takers for Correia. I assume Morales is playing first base in order to make him more marketable, since Parms has been playing a pretty good first base too.

 

On the Perkins question: I also say keep him. He's a reason to watch the games, if nothing else. Only if you get an offer you can't refuse, an offer that Perkins himself would say "wow, can't pass that up / am I really worth that much?"

[twinsnorth49]

Originally Posted by adjacent

If they trade Willingham (to mention the most obvious choice) for a "never will be", what does that accomplish? .

 

The flip of that question is: what does keeping these guys for two more months accomplish?

 

Maybe 5 Hr's.......if we're lucky.

[Shane Wahl]

Here are my 3 trades. I just don't see the guys under contract (Dozier, Perkins) going anywhere and I don't think Correia has trade value.

 

1. Suzuki to the Dodgers for Tom Windle and Darnell Sweeney. Windle is a former Gopher LHP that is a top 10 prospect in the fairly strong Dodger org. Looks to be a back end starter that could also fill a relief role. Sweeney is a lower end prospect that plays some 2B, SS, and OF. Has some speed and power, but tends to strike out too much. The Dodgers are in win-now mode and Suzuki would present a solid upgrade over AJ Ellis and former TD favorite, Drew Butera.

 

2. Morales to the Mariners for Tyler Marlette. Marlette is a catcher and the #10 prospect in a fairly weak Mariner's organization. Reports are that he could be a major league starter or may end up as a solid #2. The Mariner's have a young catcher in Zunino, so they may not value that position as much going forward. If the Twins don't believe Pinto will stick behind the plate, this would be a nice prospect that the organization could use. There may be some hesitation about bringing back Morales, but if the Mariners have any hope of making the playoffs they need to score runs. Morales has looked a lot better in July and could play some 1B and DH while providing them a solid bat in the middle of their order.

 

3. Willingham to the Reds for AA pitcher Jon Moscot. Moscot doesn't have a high upside, but is a top 15 prospect in a so-so Red's farm system. He doesn't have a lot of upside, but could become a #4 or #5 starter. He also appears to throw a lot of strikes, which is something the Twins have generally valued. Reds really need to add a hitter with Votto and Phillips out and Willingham could slide into LF and the #6 spot in the line-up.

 

I like these three trades a lot. The Morales for Marlette trade could certainly happen. I am not sure what the Reds would want to offer for Willingham.