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Adam Walker: Looking for Comps


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You have to be excited about Adam Brett Walker's performance in AA. He leads all AA players with an ISO of .312. This isn't new. He had the second best ISO in the Florida State League last year at .190. Where is all of the top prospect love?

 

It is hard to get past his strike out rates. Not only does he lead all AA players in ISO but he also leads in strike out rate at 35.5%. Some look at the strike out rate and dismiss Walker as a prospect. Certainly major league pitchers would take better advantage of his poor strike zone judgment. I wondered in there were any other AA players among the league leaders in both strike out rate and ISO that became solid major league players.

 

Below is a list of players who were among the top of their league in both AA categories since 2006.

 

Brandon Wood

Kody Kirkland

Chip Cannon

Wilkin Ramirez

Greg Halman

Brandon Waring

Carlos Peguero

Joe Benson

Kyle Russell

Derek Norris

Tommy Mendonca

Brahiam Maldonado

Matt Fields

Domingo Santana

Michael Taylor

Stephen Montoya

 

Some multiple appearances on the list. I think Brandon Waring made it 4 times.

 

Brandon Wood stuck out to me. He was a very highly ranked prospect. He had strike out rates of 28.5% in AA and 24.6%, 23.2% and 18.7% in AAA as he bounced back and forth between the majors and AAA. His walk rates in the minors were around 10%. Even though he was able to improve his strike out rate over time, it didn't traslate well in the majors for him and slugging percentages of 550-600 in the minors was 289 in 751 major league plate appearances.

 

Carlos Peguero is still hanging on. Unlike Wood, his strikeout rate never improved below 30% as he moved up the ladder. He has 319 major league plate appearances with a strike out rate of 39.5%. Slugging in the minors of 463, 558, 562, 563 translates to 384 overall in the majors.

 

Derek Norris is on the list. He was a major league all star last year. In AA, he had a strike out rate of 27.7% and an ISO of 237. You might dismiss this as a good comp since both the K rate and ISO are 20-25% below Walker's level. They are full season stats though and Walker will likely drop a little in both. There is also the context of the park and league. Norris is a valuable major league player. He followed his AA season with a AAA strike out rate of 16.7%. I am not sure what caused the change but he did move to the A's organization from the Nationals and perhaps the A's saw something in his swing that they fixed.

 

That list isn't too encouraging. There is a flaw in my selection. Players with Walker's power don't always stay in AA a full season and therefore do not qualify on the leaderboards. Maybe I missed better players.

 

I looked at it in reverse. I took the current top 10 batters according to strike out rate and looked at their performance in AA. I am hoping that they had similar high strike out rates in AA. Below is a list of the 10 and their strikeout rates this year and in AA.

 

Player MLB%/AA%

 

Souza (36.6% / 23.5%)

Carter (35.9% / 20.1%)

Davis (34.5% / 21.8%)

Stanton (32.7% / 26.2%)

Soler (32.2% / 19% )

Pederson (30.1% / 22.0%)

Bryant (29.8% / 25.9%)

Martinez (28.6% / 16.8%)

LaRoche (27.6% / 20.1%)

Springer (27.4% / 30.1%)

 

George Springer is my hero. The other 9 strike out at a greater rate in the majors than they did in AA. I guess that shouldn't be surprising. Half of the players had better than a 50% increase in strike out rate.

 

How about George? Like Derek Norris, he went to AAA and reduced his strike out rate In 266 plate appearance it was 24.6%. His overall rate in the major leagues is 30.8% and with that rate he has been a productive player with an OPS 792.

 

What about Walker? Will he be a lifetime minor leaguer like Brandon Waring? Will he bounce back and forth like Brandon Wood? Can he stick like George Springer?

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Springer had almost double Walker's minor league BB rate (12.5% vs 6.9%).  Despite some similarities in K% and ISO, I think Springer was a very different type of hitter.  (And player overall -- Springer also stole bases at over 4x the rate of Walker, with a better success rate, and played CF throughout his minor league career.  By my estimate, Springer also tops Walker in career MILB wRC+ 155 to 124.)

 

Steven Moya might be an interesting current comp?

 

Walker's minor league offensive performance to date is actually not unlike Arcia's MLB offensive performance to date.  Similar BB%, K%, BABIP, AVG/OBP, although generally much more SLG/ISO.  It will be interesting to see how that translates to AAA and MLB -- if it can hold, with solid defense, he could be a useful piece.

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Kinda what I figured. An above average K% in the minors rarely translates to MLB success, no matter how much power is in the bat. The hit tool is always the best tool- you can't put a price on quality contact.

 

That is one concern I have with the Twins' prospects, so many of them strike out at an above average rate and walk at a well below average rate. We see what that amounts to- Santana, Arcia, Vargas, Hicks (although Hicks can actually draw walks), and you could probably add Rosario to this list in a few weeks/months- all players that have struggled to establish themselves in the majors.

 

I don't know if that's an issue with player development in the Twins' system, or with the players they are signing/drafting. All I know is that I see a future Twins' lineup with plenty of whiffs and low OBP% in the near future.

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I think Brandon Wood was the prospect that really galvanized the critics of the high strikeout rate. Many stat-based evaluators thought he was a can't miss prospect.

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You are correct about Springer. He has a different talent set. The comp is the strike outs and ISO in the minors and whether players with high rates in both were able to find success in the majors. 

 

It will be an encouraging sign if Walker's strike out rate drops to around 25%. He will then join several others who have found success in spite of a high minor league strike out rate. 

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Everybody is looking for that saber metric comp (ISO; K Rate; Etc.) that qualifies a prospect.  Is there a comp that shows a players uniqueness.  You will find it difficult to find a player who gives you all of the below and comps negatively.  If you do find someone, it will be a short list that doesn't warrant a substantial comparison.

 

AA Southern League
15 Home Runs    (1st in league & all of Minors
13 Doubles
02 Triples
30 XBH    (1st in league)
46 RBI    (1st in league & all of AA)
39 Runs Scored    (2nd in league & 3rd in all of AA)
114 TB    (1st in league & all of AA)
77 SO   (1st in league & all of AA)
.573  SLG%    (2nd in league)
.891  OPS%    (4th in league)

 

This is the definition of Uniqueness.  Same type of production and rankings every year of his minor league career.  Which means he is showing some type of learning curve.  His teams have held the best record in their respective leagues EVERY YEAR as well.  A WINNER!!

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If Walker believes like some on this site that his strikeout rate doesn't matter, he will not make it. He has to judge the zone better. I think he can do it. 

 

His strke out rate over last three levels.

 

A    - 20.8%

A+  - 28.2%

AA  - 35.5%

 

He needs to work every day to stop that trend.It matters. 

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Doug mentioned in the Scoggins article (Star Tribune) that Walker and hitting coach Chad Allen had a bet to lay off the low pitches.  Doug said Walker's  K's are more competitive and I'll take him for his word.  I agree he needs to stop that trend and I want to believe that he is that type of kid who works hard and has a plan. He is only 23 years old this year.  Every player should get better when they repeat a level.  From A Ball to the MLB.  The only time Walker repeated a level,  he has shown great improvements (College).  I believe he has the learning capacity to soar when his time comes to repeat a level.  Whether that level is AA or the MLB.  I'm not saying a 16% K Rate, but a much more manageable K rate that works with his skill set.

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If Walker believes like some on this site that his strikeout rate doesn't matter, he will not make it. He has to judge the zone better. I think he can do it. 

 

His strke out rate over last three levels.

 

A    - 20.8%

A+  - 28.2%

AA  - 35.5%

 

He needs to work every day to stop that trend.It matters. 

 

Careful. "Strikeout rate doesn't matter" isn't one-size-fits-all. 

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