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Is Joey Gallo a sneaky good pick-up, or is he just another Miguel Sano?


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I would bet most of you had a similar thought to me when you saw the Twins signed Joey Gallo to a 1 year, $11 million deal for 2023... That thought being "Max Kepler must be getting traded." While that hasn't materialized, a few other moves have that have led to the Twins holding onto Kepler as their starting Right Fielder, as of now. 

Max Kepler is still a productive player, and projects to have a solid enough year this year as well. ZiPs projects Kepler to have a slash line of .231/.320/.410, which is projected for a 2.3 fWAR. Not spectacular, but a solid regular nonetheless.

As for Gallo, his skillset is different than Kepler's, which makes them both valuable, but in different ways. Gallo has significantly more power, but likely a much lower batting average. Sound familiar? Yes, similar to Miguel Sano. One key different in Gallo is that he is a gold-glove level player in the OF, which adds to his value much more than Sano ever had. Gallo's ZiPs projections are .194/.330/.426, which is good for a 2.9 fWAR. He is also projected for 25 HR and 60 RBI. 

Now let's compare Gallo and Sano, who many people are making comparisons to: In comparing Gallo to Sano, you may seem some similarities, such as a high strikeout rate. Gallo (37.3% K rate for his career), Sano (36.4% K rate for his career). Another similarity is the prodigious power both players have. Gallo has hit 38+ HR 3 times, which is what the Twins FO is hoping for going forward. As for Sano, he hit 30 HR one time, in 2021. 

The differences are the key to why Joey Gallo should be more valuable than Sano. Sano was not great defensively, accounting for -9 Defensive Runs saved at 1B over his career and -32 Defensive Runs Saved at 3B over his career. I'm going to ignore the horrible time he had in the OF in 2016 for the sake of this discussion. 

Meanwhile, Gallo has been worth a whopping 37 DRS in the outfield since 2019, which is good for 3rd in MLB, tied with Byron Buxton, and trailing Michael A. Taylor (Twins 4th OF) and Mookie Betts. Pretty darn good company, I would say. 

So let's look at a direct comparison to see if Gallo is similar to Sano, or if he is a different player using the 5-tools of a player. 

Skill

Sano

Gallo

Contact

I would say this is similar. Low batting average, high K% for both guys.

Power

 

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I’d give this to Gallo because of the more consistent power across multiple seasons. 3 seasons of 38+ HR and Sano only having one season at 30 HR.

Speed

 

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I’d give a slight edge to Gallo solely because he has 29 career SB versus Sano’s 5. Neither guy steals a ton of bases. Also – Joey Gallo’s average sprint speed is 27.1 and Sano’s is 26.7 so Gallo is slightly faster.

Arm

Sano had a very strong arm when he played at 3B, but at 1B, your arm isn’t shown off quite as much. Gallo has had some good years in OF assists, but it is hard to give the edge to one guy over the other when comparing this tool.

Fielding

 

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As discussed above, Gallo is a gold-glove winning fielder, and to put it simply, Sano is not.

In using this to compare the two players, yes, there are absolutely similarities, but there are key differences that show Joey Gallo will be a much more valuable player to the Twins. This may be attributed to the position he plays, but I also think it will be contributed to his power and his glove more than anything. 

What do you all think? Is Joey Gallo another Miguel Sano, or will he prove to be a sneaky good pick-up for the Twins this year?

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Everyone is raving about his defense and this article is no different. If defense was the only thing it took to make a winning team this 2023 version of the Twins will be tough to beat. Unfortunately if you want to win you also have to score runs, not just prevent them. Outside of Vazquez taking some at bats away from Jeffers I don't see where the Twins improved their offense much. Especially if guys like Gallo and Kepler, who can't hit, take the majority of at bats away from Gordon, Larnach and even Farmer. Maybe Kirilloff will be all that he is hyped up to be. Maybe Polanco will have a bounce-back season. Maybe Buxton will remain healthy and produce like he is capable of. Maybe Correa will put together a full season of producing runs instead of his 1/3 season we saw last year. Let's hope that maybe Miranda can be as good as last year. IF all of the "maybes" pan out they'll score enough runs to win, but I am not counting on Gallo to be a significant offensive contributor and IMO, I don't think the FO expects him too either. They got Gallo for 2 things only, defense and to hit an occasional HR. Anything else will be gravy.

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If the lineup was full of decent hitters, having someone who strikes out a lot but hits 35 HR would be OK. As the lineup looks today, Gallo will hit 35 HR and have 35 RBIs. He will be involved in more 1,2,3 innings than anything else. 

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1 hour ago, rv78 said:

Everyone is raving about his defense and this article is no different. If defense was the only thing it took to make a winning team this 2023 version of the Twins will be tough to beat. Unfortunately if you want to win you also have to score runs, not just prevent them. Outside of Vazquez taking some at bats away from Jeffers I don't see where the Twins improved their offense much. Especially if guys like Gallo and Kepler, who can't hit, take the majority of at bats away from Gordon, Larnach and even Farmer. Maybe Kirilloff will be all that he is hyped up to be. Maybe Polanco will have a bounce-back season. Maybe Buxton will remain healthy and produce like he is capable of. Maybe Correa will put together a full season of producing runs instead of his 1/3 season we saw last year. Let's hope that maybe Miranda can be as good as last year. IF all of the "maybes" pan out they'll score enough runs to win, but I am not counting on Gallo to be a significant offensive contributor and IMO, I don't think the FO expects him too either. They got Gallo for 2 things only, defense and to hit an occasional HR. Anything else will be gravy.

I do think this is the biggest issue with the 2023 roster as constructed so far - will the Twins score enough runs? I am more bullish than you on Correa and Miranda, and I do think that Polanco will be better this year due to better health. Plus Vasquez is an offensive (and defensive) upgrade at Catcher. The rest of the roster though is a crapshoot - particularly Kirilloff, Kepler and Gallo. We need that solid #5/6 hitter to hit after Polanco, Correa, Buxton and Miranda. We don't really have that guy although the DH spot is open. Maybe Larnach fills that DH spot well, we trade Kepler and Gordon starts (an offensive upgrade for sure), Kirilloff is good at the plate and stays healthy, and Gallo hits .220/.365 with 30 HRs. That's a lot of maybes. The first 4 hitters are good, not great. The last 5 could be anywhere from solid to weak. It's hard to see this group as a top 10 offense for 2023, maybe not even a top 15. The pitching is better but no better enough to carry a bottom 10 offense. And that's what we could be with a few injuries.  

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4 hours ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

I do think this is the biggest issue with the 2023 roster as constructed so far - will the Twins score enough runs? I am more bullish than you on Correa and Miranda, and I do think that Polanco will be better this year due to better health. Plus Vasquez is an offensive (and defensive) upgrade at Catcher. The rest of the roster though is a crapshoot - particularly Kirilloff, Kepler and Gallo. We need that solid #5/6 hitter to hit after Polanco, Correa, Buxton and Miranda. We don't really have that guy although the DH spot is open. Maybe Larnach fills that DH spot well, we trade Kepler and Gordon starts (an offensive upgrade for sure), Kirilloff is good at the plate and stays healthy, and Gallo hits .220/.365 with 30 HRs. That's a lot of maybes. The first 4 hitters are good, not great. The last 5 could be anywhere from solid to weak. It's hard to see this group as a top 10 offense for 2023, maybe not even a top 15. The pitching is better but no better enough to carry a bottom 10 offense. And that's what we could be with a few injuries.  

I would agree there. I think the big argument is that there would be some guys taking steps forward (Miranda, for example) as well as guys (hopefully) not being as injured (Buxton, Larnach, Kirilloff, Polanco to name a few). I think it's a combination of injuries as well as guys putting things together at the right time. I don't think the offense will be abysmal, but I also don't anticipate a 2019 level either. I think a solid offense that scores enough runs to give you a chance to win with a good/above average defense combined with a hopefully improved pitching staff will lead to more success. 

As you said, time will tell. I think Gallo fits into that as well. Could prove to be an incredible pick up, could be a decent but unspectaculr pick up, or could not be a great pick up and lose at bats toward the end of the year to young guys. I'm thankful they aren't depending on someone like him to be THE guy. They have plenty of depth and Gallo shouldn't be hitting near the top of the lineup, unless it's a really good matchup or something of that sort. I would suspect Gallo gets most of his ABs in the 5-8 hole in the lineup. But I could be totally wrong about that. 

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6 hours ago, Karbo said:

I have to see Gallo for at least the first month or two before I have an opinion. Was kind of surprised they signed him for that much at the time. Now I guess we'll see what happens.

Good point. I like that they aren't expecting him to be a traditional 3 hitter or something. They know they signed a guy with low average and massive power and very good defense. If he can play good defense, as well as hit some HRs, he should be valuable. He doesn't need to be a .300/.400/.500 guy to be valuable, but boy would that be incredible if somehow that happened (it won't).

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It's a good overall comparison between Sano & Gallo,

The issue is offensively speaking Sano has been slightly better than Gallo in his career. Miguel Sano isn't in MLB currently and a player who it seems will be our primary LF (a position where offensive production is more important than Defense) compares similarly to him from an offensive standpoint. That's the issue.

Miguel Sano - Career - 2859 PA's
BA .234 - OPS .808 - OPS+ 116 - oWAR 12.3

Joey Gallo - Career - 2811 PA's
BA .199 - OPS .794 - OPS+ 109 - oWAR 10.8

 

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We got rid of Sano, to pick up (for $11MM) his not quite as good doppelgänger at the plate.  It’s hard to believe actually, defensive accolades included.

I’m getting to the stage in my life where every day, let alone hour or minute, matters a whole lot more. But honestly I can’t wait for 2024 to get here so I can watch more Twins players I actually am interested in watching.

Sorry, but Gallo, Kepler, Farmer, Taylor, and maybe even Polanco, are not among that list of players. It’s all just seems so “been there, done that” will each of them.  What’s the real upside in their play? Is it worth investing my time and emotions in them as a fan?  Gallo may hit a monster dinger from time to time and a nice catch or throw; but, otherwise, he and his compatriots are pretty much a snooze fest.

I can’t help but think that if this team doesn’t compete, and, luckily for the FO, it might not take much to vie for the weak AL Central, a lot of other Twins fans will agree with my assessment. 

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Gallo had a disappointing '22 season, but we paid him $11MM. That's not show me money, that's you proved to me money for a poor season. So it's not an option, he has to produce offensively to earn what he has been paid. He doesn't fill any necessary hole. So there isn't anything sneaky about it.

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