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the Anti- Correa move


Doc Munson

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More and more it is looking like the "Nuclear Option" is the only way the Twins will ever improve.

With rumors now circulating of Yankees in on Correa as well as other big spenders, and rumors circulating about a $400M contract. the Twins must SPRINT to the door and get out!!!  That is very sad, as I was actually thinking the Twins actually get a decent deal done around the $300-320M mark.

 

I had shared an option in previous posts, and it nwo onyl seems even MORE the right way to go.  HELP THE YANKEES!!!

Joel Sherman is saying he believes the Yankees will release Stanton in a couple of years, that is eating MILLIONS, if this is potentially true, then why no let him go NOW and NOT have to pay millions.

 

Yankees signed Judge, if they want Correa at nearly $400M, AND want Rodon in the rotation, we can still help make this happen, but because it would be waiving the white flag on Correa it would have to be even sweeter for us!!!

 

AS mentioned in other posts, we take on...

1) Stanton and his large remaining contract. but we renegotiate opt outs for him after EVERY year in order for him to waive his NT clause.

2) Donaldson, but the Yankees remain on the hook for any potential $6M mutual option that may get picked up in 2024.. No, I don't want Donaldson, but we flip him for a one f those big nachos in a batting helmet. Someone would take him on, especially if they could get him for FREE next year.  Maybe Boston?? Donaldson gets to stick it to the yanks and if he plays for Boston while getting paid by Yanks, that is always fun!!

3) Aaron Hicks and his remaining contract. would be tough sledding being able to flip this deal, and would be on the books in future years at $10M as well.  (BUT IF WE CAN GET VALUE ITS DOABLE)

That is about $63M

Those are the bad contracts we have to eat. Now for good stuff.  In order to incentivize us to take on all those years and dollars, and more importantly allowing the Yankees the freedom to go after Correa AND Rodon. , the Twins also get...

1) Luis Severino, and his 1 year of control at $15M.  This gives us a potential Ace, yes he has health issues, but we are only committed for 1 year, and if he proves healthy its a steal. PLUS it frees up another $15M for the Yanks bringing the cash clearance to about $78M (EASILY enough for Rodon and Correa!!!)

2) Anthony Volpe... Untouchable you say??  well if you sign Correa then Volpe is redundant. plus we demand big time prospects for clearing teh cap space!!

3) speaking of big time prospects, we also demand Jasson Dominguez.  again have to give up big pieces to get big pieces

4) Luis Gil.  Gil is a big armed prospect (former Twins prospect) who is MLB ready and would add more depth

5) Final piece is either Roderick Arias or Josh Breaux. Arias is a high ceiling infielder you can never get enough of, and Breaux is an MLB ready young catcher (albeit not LH).

What do the Twins give up???  the answer is basically very little.  let say Kepler,  I mean he is a LH with Yankee Stadium 81 games per year. and then maybe throw in Arraez (like an All-Star batting champ is a throw in). Maybe a prospect going back to make it look more even

 

 

SO why does this work for both?

Simple;;

Yankees: It allows the Yankees to clear bad contracts of players they want gone in Hicks and Donaldson, It gets them out of the Stanton contract and he has never really fit in NY. and it allows them the roster and cap space to sign both Correa and Rodon without impacting luxury tax. They are set up for the foreseeable future, and can afford to move prospects who are now blocked, and after all... "prospects are suspects until proven otherwise".

The Yankees are currently at an estimated $248M payroll, signing either or both of Correa/Rodon would push them crazily past the highest penalty tier, and as repeat offenders would pay an additional $40+M in penalties, not to mention the loss of bonus pools and draft picks.

 

Why do the Twins do this?

OK so lets assume we are able to somehow flip Donaldson, for little to nothing in return. Maybe even sending a marginal prospect away in addition. That is a wash. swapping Arraez & Kepler for Severino is essentially a wash financially after Arraez Arb win. so that means teh Twins are taking on a net $42M dollars which brings the estimated payroll to just $135M which is still $14M below last years payroll!!  and what do we get for this payroll?  we get a big RH bat we need who would be primary DH but could play some OF (and with the chance he may opt out at any year releasing us from paying him to teh end). We get a crowd favorite back (but for how long would he be a crowd favorite now) who can play backup CF. we get to add a potential dominat arm to the rotaion, AND we get absolute stud prospects in Volpe, Dominguez, Arias, to go with our already good list of prospects. This sets us up to have the next wave of cheap young players to extend a window or use as trade material for the young top pitcher we cannot afford on the FA market.

 

Imagine a lineup in 1.5 years of Volpe, Lewis, Dominguez, Miranda, Buxton, Stanton and if Kirilloff can hit potential and get rid of that wrist, and if Wallner/Larnach can hit. That is a great young lineup!!!

yes, this seems crazy, but seriously, if we lose out on Correa, what else you gonna do to make an impact?

 

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Interesting.

Stanton will never opt out. His contract pays $32, $32, $32, $29, $25, $10 or $160 million total. He has a full no trade too.

Donaldson might be tough for the Twins to move at $29 million owed.

Hicks has looked like toast but is less expensive for $10.5, $9.5, $9.5, and $1 million or $30.5 million.

Severino is a deal for $15 million.

The Twins would be skittish at the site of these contracts for three players they don't want, but the biggest issue may be that the Yankees may not be open to losing Luis Severino despite the financial relief. 

This is a creative idea however and you present it well.

My only other comment is that Yankee prospects always seem to receive outsized publicity. 

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This is... not the worst idea. My only issue is Stanton- he has to agree to the trade and I don't see why he would renegotiate his contract. The Yankees also need him in their lineup; he and Rizzo are the only protection Judge has. Although, Stanton has looked worse and worse.

If its Arraez and Kepler for Donaldson, Stanton, Hicks, Severino, Volpe, Gil and Dominguez, I feel like the Yankees turn that down pretty quick. Their team would improve assuming they sign Correa and Rodón, but they value Volpe and Dominguez a lot, and they are probably still short a bat.

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I cannot accept helping the Yankees out of their mistake contracts even if it helps the Twins in the long run. I’d puke each time those batters came to the plate.  I commend you for your outside the box thinking but this is a BIG NO in my opinion.

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I'd do it for the prospects, but trading prospects for salary relief doesn't sound like a thing the Yankees would do.

Sounds like something San Diego will do in a couple of years when the bubble bursts, but not the Yankees.

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7 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

I'd do it for the prospects, but trading prospects for salary relief doesn't sound like a thing the Yankees would do.

Sounds like something San Diego will do in a couple of years when the bubble bursts, but not the Yankees.

I agree, The Yankees' bubble never seems to burst, They just wait a couple of years and make a bigger bubble.

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On 12/12/2022 at 9:39 PM, Fire Dan Gladden said:

I have a hard time seeing the Players Union agreeing to a renegotiation of the Stanton contract.  In theory, it benefits the player, but it sets a dangerous precedence for the future.

it happens all the time.  and it is not a full renegotiation, it is just giving him opt outs, it actually BENEFITS him, so players union woudl not fight anything.  players get various kickers or incentives to waive no trade clauses.

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On 12/12/2022 at 9:24 PM, sorney said:

Yankees literally don't need to dump contracts.  They are the Yankees. They print money.

REad any article, by any national or local NY writer. Yankees are desperately trying to move Donaldson's contract and Hick's contract. they want to shed $ (well, and 2 bad players LOL)

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9 hours ago, Doc Munson said:

it happens all the time.  and it is not a full renegotiation, it is just giving him opt outs, it actually BENEFITS him, so players union woudl not fight anything.  players get various kickers or incentives to waive no trade clauses.

Actually it doesn't.  We aren't talking about waving a trade clause, or accepting a buyout.  This would be a complete overhaul of the contract.  As I said, on paper it would appear to solely benefit the player.  But it creates a slippery slope that the Union would be very, very nervous to cross.

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14 hours ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

Actually it doesn't.  We aren't talking about waving a trade clause, or accepting a buyout.  This would be a complete overhaul of the contract.  As I said, on paper it would appear to solely benefit the player.  But it creates a slippery slope that the Union would be very, very nervous to cross.

An number of players have in the past negotiated contract extensions prior to waiving their not trade clause. Is EXTENDING a contract different from just adding opt outs to an existing contract?  I guess I would say that the slope has already been slippified if they can demand  contract extensions to waive a NT clause. But I am by no means even remotely close to an expert.

 

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On 12/12/2022 at 6:11 PM, gil4 said:

I agree, The Yankees' bubble never seems to burst, They just wait a couple of years and make a bigger bubble.

yeah, I doubt they would, it is just fun to theorize. :)   BUT... now with teh signing of Rodon they are looking at an estimated payroll of close to $315M. as repeat offenders now hitting the third level penalty  they are looking at $40-45M JUST IN PENALTIES, not to mention loss of draft picks and pool money to sign players. If they dump these contracts and save the nearly $80M, they are actually saving about $120M just this year, not to mention all the $ on future years, but yeah, I dont ACTUALLY see it happening

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