Mejia to DL; Mike Morin Selected

[Mill1634]

 

40 man roster is now full. I would think Mejia will take the 10 days at a minimum, and then need the full 30 days of rehab. Pretty "bad" timing for an injury like this 

 

PS: I wish nothing but the best for Mejia, and hope that the injury isn't serious. He wants to succeed far more than any of us want him to succeed. 

[yarnivek1972]

Another guy with less credentials than Jake Reed getting an opportunity.

 

Yes, I am aware that Morin has MLB experience and Reed does not. That’s only because this organization inexplicably did not give him one in a lost season in 2018 or frankly 2016.

[Heinie Manush]

I figured that Adelberto would turn up "injured".  After 10 days he gets 20 days to pitch in the minors to show that he can adapt to the relief role.   Buying time is all.  Not a bad strategy.

 

[howieramone2]

 

  On 5/2/2019 at 3:49 PM, yarnivek1972 said:

Another guy with less credentials than Jake Reed getting an opportunity.

Yes, I am aware that Morin has MLB experience and Reed does not. That’s only because this organization inexplicably did not give him one in a lost season in 2018 or frankly 2016.

That's hardly the only reason. I believe we our the 4th team that feels Morin can pitch in The Show. No team has ever expressed any interest in Reed.

[luckylager]

 

  On 5/2/2019 at 3:49 PM, yarnivek1972 said:

Another guy with less credentials than Jake Reed getting an opportunity.

Yes, I am aware that Morin has MLB experience and Reed does not. That’s only because this organization inexplicably did not give him one in a lost season in 2018 or frankly 2016.

 

What do you see as "less credentials"? Both players seem pretty equal as far as minor league experience and results. 

[USAFChief]

 

  On 5/2/2019 at 4:27 PM, howieramone2 said:

That's hardly the only reason. I believe we our the 4th team that feels Morin can pitch in The Show. No team has ever expressed any interest in Reed.

Haven't three of those four changed their opinion?

[MMMordabito]

I wonder if Wes and Co. worked with Morin to get some uptick on his fastball velo .... He's supposed to have a plus-plus change-up

[Mike Sixel]

Man, the minors must have been truly barren of RPs when this FO took over. They really like other options over and over.

[yarnivek1972]

  On 5/2/2019 at 4:30 PM, luckylager said:

What do you see as "less credentials"? Both players seem pretty equal as far as minor league experience and results.

Reed has a better hit rate, K rate and a better HR rate at the AAA level. The only area that Morin is better is BB rate. While that is important, Reed’s WHIP is still lower at AAA than Morin’s. I guess I’d rather have the guy who has shown he can miss bats and keeps the ball in the park when he doesn’t.

 

Reed has more than earned a shot. Morin has had several. He hasn’t delivered.

[TNTwinsFan]

  On 5/2/2019 at 4:32 PM, MMMordabito said:

I wonder if Wes and Co. worked with Morin to get some uptick on his fastball velo .... He's supposed to have a plus-plus change-up

If he sits 92-94 with his FB, that Change Up is filthy!

[nicksaviking]

 

  On 5/2/2019 at 4:32 PM, MMMordabito said:

I wonder if Wes and Co. worked with Morin to get some uptick on his fastball velo .... He's supposed to have a plus-plus change-up

 

Maybe, I wasn't too interested in seeing him and I was going to criticize the promotion, but I guess a plus changeup would set himself apart from the rest of the bullpen. It used to be a bread and butter pitch of the entire organization, but currently the only reliever on the 25 man throwing one regularly is Hildenberger.

 

If the bullpen isn't going to be all lights out fireballers and killer sliders, I guess I'd like it to be as diverse as possible to give the other teams different looks. Still, I'd rather see Reed, Eades or my guy Cody Stashak.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

I wonder how long Bert has been injured and it took this long for it to be identified...

[jorgenswest]

 

  On 5/2/2019 at 4:42 PM, yarnivek1972 said:

Reed has a better hit rate, K rate and a better HR rate at the AAA level. The only area that Morin is better is BB rate. While that is important, Reed’s WHIP is still lower at AAA than Morin’s. I guess I’d rather have the guy who has shown he can miss bats and keeps the ball in the park when he doesn’t.

Reed has more than earned a shot. Morin has had several. He hasn’t delivered.

Seems like it would have helpful to include the context that Morin has pitched in the PCL. 

[yarnivek1972]

  On 5/2/2019 at 7:26 PM, jorgenswest said:

Seems like it would have helpful to include the context that Morin has pitched in the PCL.

Which affects K rate not at all. Sure, HR rate. But Reed has allowed 4 HR in 100 AAA IP. Once every 25 IP. Morin has allowed 15 in 140 IP. Once every 9 IP. The PCL doesn’t account for THAT big of a disparity.

[h2oface]

Good move. The Dodgers use the IL very effectively to recyle pitcers with no options........... I am glad to see the Twins tap in......

[h2oface]

About a month away from Kimbrel available with no draft pick compensation.

[nicksaviking]

 

  On 5/2/2019 at 7:52 PM, h2oface said:

About a month away from Kimbrel available with no draft pick compensation.

 

Yeah it will be amusing when magically 10 teams find themselves in need of his services.

 

Problem for me is that I might think he'll only get or maybe even want a one year deal and I've lost confidence in pitchers joining a club this late; I'd only want him on a multi year deal as I wouldn't expect him to be very good in 2019.

[h2oface]

 

  On 5/2/2019 at 7:56 PM, nicksaviking said:

Yeah it will be amusing when magically 10 teams find themselves in need of his services.

 

Problem for me is that I might think he'll only get or maybe even want a one year deal and I've lost confidence in pitchers joining a club this late; I'd only want him on a multi year deal as I wouldn't expect him to be very good in 2019.

 

One year with option for me. Put Kimbrel certainly has other ideas. Kimbrel looked horrible in the World Series and most of the playoffs. Things can turn quick. Of course, the bidding could ramp up quickly with the draft compensation gone. The worm seems to have turned for the long term top relievers. They would be smart to bet on themselves, and go with 1 to 3 years at a high average annual salary. Wasting a year by sitting is not productive and his age. I would really like to see him pitch for the Twins, somehow, though.

[jorgenswest]

  On 5/2/2019 at 7:37 PM, yarnivek1972 said:

Which affects K rate not at all. Sure, HR rate. But Reed has allowed 4 HR in 100 AAA IP. Once every 25 IP. Morin has allowed 15 in 140 IP. Once every 9 IP. The PCL doesn’t account for THAT big of a disparity.

I am glad the Twins aren’t making decisions in those samples. Both the small sample size of any reliever and the disparity of leagues and parks isn’t useful. Also useless but point of fact, since there are more base runners in the PCL the denominator PA for K% will be larger and the resulting K rate will be lower.

[yarnivek1972]

  On 5/3/2019 at 12:22 AM, jorgenswest said:

I am glad the Twins aren’t making decisions in those samples. Both the small sample size of any reliever and the disparity of leagues and parks isn’t useful. Also useless but point of fact, since there are more base runners in the PCL the denominator PA for K% will be larger and the resulting K rate will be lower.

I have a hard time accepting over 100 IP as a small sample size.

[jorgenswest]

  On 5/3/2019 at 12:36 AM, yarnivek1972 said:

I have a hard time accepting over 100 IP as a small sample size.

The major league stabilization point for HR rate is 1320 batters faced. It will be much larger when trying to use it to compare players in the the very different AAA venues and leagues. 100 innings isn’t close.

 

Minor league stats for relievers just aren’t useful in projecting major league success.

[yarnivek1972]

  On 5/3/2019 at 12:44 AM, jorgenswest said:

The major league stabilization point for HR rate is 1320 batters faced. It will be much larger when trying to use it to compare players in the the very different AAA venues and leagues. 100 innings isn’t close.

 

Minor league stats for relievers just aren’t useful in projecting major league success.

Didn’t say they were. But I would say they are useful to determine if a guy is ready for a shot. Reed is ready for a shot.

[jokin]

 

  On 5/3/2019 at 12:52 AM, yarnivek1972 said:

Didn’t say they were. But I would say they are useful to determine if a guy is ready for a shot. Reed is ready for a shot.

 

Yep. J Reed is on my list of 7 minor leaguers with some hit and miss history who deserve a look-see.

I'm wondering if Morin had something in his contract or perhaps a verbal agreement that he get a ML opportunity by a certain date-specific?

 

I still want to see the Twins go the Cardinals route and bring up one of the young gun, top-20 prospect starters and let him cut his major league teeth in mostly low and middle leverage situations.

[Mr. Brooks]

  On 5/3/2019 at 12:52 AM, yarnivek1972 said:

Didn’t say they were. But I would say they are useful to determine if a guy is ready for a shot. Reed is ready for a shot.

The FO wants to win games, and they want to develop talent.

So, what is your theory on why the FO hasn't given Reed a shot?

 

I'd say it's more likely that they just don't think he's good enough. You can't just use milb stats. If it were that easy, we wouldn't need FO people. The owner could just hire a 12 year old to promote the players with the best stats.

[SomeGuy]

Mejia accounts for 23% of our bullpen's Earned runs (11 of 48) and 12% of our innings. (11.1 of 93.1). Subtract those numbers entirely from our bullpen stats and you have a combined ERA of 3.62 and this includes the Vasquez, De Jong, Romero, and Perez bullpen numbers. Addition by subtraction. 

 

We have a good bullpen.

[Doomtints]

When Morin was "successful" he was used VERY sparingly, almost never for a full inning of work. I don't see Baldelli knowing how to use a guy like Morin, nor do I think the Twins have the luxury of having someone like Morin on the roster.

[Doomtints]

Also, apparently today is Morin's birthday. 

[stringer bell]

  On 5/3/2019 at 9:47 PM, SomeGuy said:

Mejia accounts for 23% of our bullpen's Earned runs (11 of 48) and 12% of our innings. (11.1 of 93.1). Subtract those numbers entirely from our bullpen stats and you have a combined ERA of 3.62 and this includes the Vasquez, De Jong, Romero, and Perez bullpen numbers. Addition by subtraction.

 

We have a good bullpen.

I don’t know about a “good bullpen”, but subtracting those not on the roster at this point does present a different picture. Mejia, de Jong, Vasquez, and Duffey all gave up a lot of runs in not many innings.

[yarnivek1972]

  On 5/3/2019 at 9:30 PM, Mr. Brooks said:

The FO wants to win games, and they want to develop talent.

So, what is your theory on why the FO hasn't given Reed a shot?

 

I'd say it's more likely that they just don't think he's good enough. You can't just use milb stats. If it were that easy, we wouldn't need FO people. The owner could just hire a 12 year old to promote the players with the best stats.

Obviously they don’t think he’s good enough. They could be right. They could be wrong. But Derek Rodriguez should be enough of a mistake for this FO to realize they should give youngsters who have done reasonably well a shot before throwing them away.

[Mr. Brooks]

  On 5/4/2019 at 12:22 AM, yarnivek1972 said:

Obviously they don’t think he’s good enough. They could be right. They could be wrong. But Derek Rodriguez should be enough of a mistake for this FO to realize they should give youngsters who have done reasonably well a shot before throwing them away.

They shouldn't overcompensate for their misjudgment of one player by doubting their judgment of other players.

They could very well be wrong about Reed. But, if their assessment is that he's not a major league pitcher right now, then they should go with that.