In a pitching duel against the Nats AJ Cole.  6ip, 3 walks, 2hits, 11k.  

 

How many good starts before we should bring him up? 1?

Good is a bit of an understatement, two more of those and he should be up. 

 

Good is a bit of an understatement, two more of those and he should be up. 

 

Agreed. I was going to say 3 in a row.  They don't need to be as good as today.  Just three in a row without a complete disaster on the BB front.  Like 5-7 BB per start.

Desperately needed good news. $%*# yeah!

 

This is why he needs to keep starting. Even if he has only a 20% chance of starting long-term (I think it is probably higher than that) it is worth the extra development time.  It isn't like we are one good reliever away from competing this year anyway.

Cool beans.

 

I hope 1 or 2 of these guys heat it up with the stick soon.

 

Pinto, Rosario, Hicks, Sano, Buxton.

 

Agreed. I was going to say 3 in a row.  They don't need to be as good as today.  Just three in a row without a complete disaster on the BB front.  Like 5-7 BB per start.

 

Sooo.... "Mini-Consistency"?

 

And who does he replace?

 

And who does he replace?

 

Yeah, that's my question. And that immediately after, who does Nolasco supplant when he comes off the DL? (But that's a different topic for a different thread in a different forum far, far away.)

Lol....for those following the game, AJ Achter came in for the 7th inning and gave up a walk off home run to the first batter (shortened due to double header.

 

On a side note, he did still only throw 55 strikes out of 96 pitches.

 

Sooo.... "Mini-Consistency"?

 

And who does he replace?

I don't think that will be a problem, unfortunately.  If Gibson is still pitching like this, send him back down.

 

Yeah, that's my question. And that immediately after, who does Nolasco supplant when he comes off the DL? (But that's a different topic for a different thread in a different forum far, far away.)

 

2 Scenario's
 

Nolasco bumps Pelfrey to the pen shortly, which bumps Thielbar or Boyer.

 

In 2 weeks, the odds are good that Milone falls apart or it is clear Nolasco is still hurt and needs something done.  Enter Meyer*

 

*assuming he continues to have an idea of where the ball is going.

 

Lol....for those following the game, AJ Achter came in for the 7th inning and gave up a walk off home run to the first batter (shortened due to double header.

 

On a side note, he did still only throw 55 strikes out of 96 pitches.

So you're saying more than half, right?  

 

I don't think that will be a problem, unfortunately.  If Gibson is still pitching like this, send him back down.

 

Gibson's career FIP is 4.18. I keep him around.

 

So you're saying more than half, right?  

 

That's not a great ratio

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I don't think that will be a problem, unfortunately.  If Gibson is still pitching like this, send him back down.

 

That seems like a Twins-type move (financial considerations/preserving value on the veterans), not sure if that's the right move, it seems too premature to pull the plug on Gibson.

 

That's not a great ratio

 

 The definition of "effectively wild."

 

 

 The definition of "effectively wild."

 

I'd love for him to be at "effective"

 

I don't think that will be a problem, unfortunately.  If Gibson is still pitching like this, send him back down.

Gibson lost the game because of defense, not because of bad performance, I would rather have them find a way to have Meyer replace Nolasco and Pelfrey. (of course Nolasco should have four more starts before a decision is made on him.)

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Meyer gets thru a full 6 innings, on 96 pitches. Probably had more in the tank. It's been a long time since we've seen that. Great JOB future ACE. Cole had 1 heck of a game. Can you believe Achter. He throws 1 stinking pitch and it's a homer. He?? of a way to finish a game. All in all, I'm happy.

 

Gibson lost the game because of defense, not because of bad performance, I would rather have them find a way to have Meyer replace Nolasco and Pelfrey. (of course Nolasco should have four more starts before a decision is made on him.)

 

While I agree that the error definitely played a role, Gibson still only had a lead off runner on first.  He did walk the next guy and give up a double.  He shouldn't have to deal with extra adversity, yes, but his inability to handle it says something.  He lacks the ability to just buckle down and get someone out situationally.  Whether it's not having a two strike out pitch, or not being able to cope with an inning like last night, it is a concern

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Gibson lost the game because of defense, not because of bad performance, I would rather have them find a way to have Meyer replace Nolasco and Pelfrey. (of course Nolasco should have four more starts before a decision is made on him.)

Look, I love Gibson but right now he's awful.  He's struck out 3 guys in over 15 innings and he's not getting ground balls.  Something's not working.  Hopefully, he comes out of this.  But if he's still throwing like this in a couple weeks (assuming Meyer is pitching better) then send him down and fix it in AAA.  

While I agree that the error definitely played a role, Gibson still only had a lead off runner on first.  He did walk the next guy, give up a double.  He shouldn't have to deal with extra adversity, yes, but his inability to handle it says something as well.

. True, but it's an out, pitching from the stretch unnecessarily, and if the replay I saw was the correct one, the wild pitch was a ball right in front of Kurt, that went right through his wickets. Kurt just plain fanned on it. While it's true that Gibson should have been able to miss a few bats to help out his defense, we keep those guys in the minors. In the majors we like to have our pitchers be able to pitch to contact when base runners clog the base paths! (I will now deduct 2 points from my snarky allotment for the week).

 

Gibson lost the game because of defense, not because of bad performance, I would rather have them find a way to have Meyer replace Nolasco and Pelfrey. (of course Nolasco should have four more starts before a decision is made on him.)

 

 

And that's the crux of the problem for Meyer in potentially coming up after 2 more effective starts.  

 

Barring Tobi's somewhat unlikely scenario of both- Nolasco needing extended time on the DL- coupled with Milone's or Pelfrey's pitching falling off of a cliff (the Twins have a tendency to keep running guys out there as long as they can maintain "mediocrity")- in the Twins' way of thinking, Meyer will likely still be effectively blocked by two of the three veterans.  They seem committed to trying to somehow extract value from those veterans before casting them to the wind.

 

Replacing May or Gibson due to  (Take your pick- one or more of the following):"ineffectiveness"/"consistency"/"non-minimizing"...     seems like Meyer's best path to the Twins in the very short term (BTW, this would not be the right move, IMO-  I'd like to see Gibson work through things at the major league level working with Allen.)

 

Look, I love Gibson but right now he's awful.  He's struck out 3 guys in over 15 innings and he's not getting ground balls.  Something's not working.  Hopefully, he comes out of this.  But if he's still throwing like this in a couple weeks (assuming Meyer is pitching better) then send him down and fix it in AAA.  

 

 

 

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Look, I love Gibson but right now he's awful.  He's struck out 3 guys in over 15 innings and he's not getting ground balls.  Something's not working.  Hopefully, he comes out of this.  But if he's still throwing like this in a couple weeks (assuming Meyer is pitching better) then send him down and fix it in AAA.  

 

I am not going to pay huge attention to ratio's after 15 innings. 

 

If Gibson was pitching for the Royals, his LF makes the catch and his pen doesn't let two runners score after he leaves (one on a wild pitch).  Scratch that, any other LF makes the catch.

 

Meyer gets thru a full 6 innings, on 96 pitches. Probably had more in the tank. It's been a long time since we've seen that. Great JOB future ACE. Cole had 1 heck of a game. Can you believe Achter. He throws 1 stinking pitch and it's a homer. He?? of a way to finish a game. All in all, I'm happy.

Is Achter just practicing for coming out of the Twins' bullpen?  

 

Look, I love Gibson but right now he's awful.  He's struck out 3 guys in over 15 innings and he's not getting ground balls.  Something's not working.  Hopefully, he comes out of this.  But if he's still throwing like this in a couple weeks (assuming Meyer is pitching better) then send him down and fix it in AAA.  

Sending him down to AAA won't fix it, he would be better off trying to have Neil Allen fix it.

 

And that's the crux of the problem for Meyer in potentially coming up after 2 more effective starts.  

 

Barring Tobi's somewhat unlikely scenario of both- Nolasco needing extended time on the DL- coupled with Milone's or Pelfrey's pitching falling off of a cliff (the Twins have a tendency to keep running guys out there as long as they can maintain "mediocrity")- in the Twins' way of thinking, Meyer will likely still be effectively blocked by two of the three veterans.  They seem committed to trying to somehow extract value from those veterans before casting them to the wind.

 

Replacing May or Gibson due to  (Take your pick- one or more of the following):"ineffectiveness"/"consistency"/"non-minimizing"...     seems like Meyer's best path to the Twins in the very short term (BTW, this would not be the right move, IMO-  I'd like to see Gibson work through things at the major league level working with Allen.)

 

My scenario for Meyer was an either, not both.

 

I think Nolasco pushes Pelf to the pen soon.

 

Either Milone implodes OR Nolasco is still hurt and after a few more starts it is clear he is.  To me, this reeks of the Scott Baker situation a few years ago.  The guy is not right, hasn't been for a long time.  Complains and we tell him to pitch through it.  Then low and behold he we realize he is hurt.

Honest question. Did they only play 7 innings because it's a double header today? Or do they always play 7 innings?

 

I am not going to pay huge attention to ratio's after 15 innings. 

 

If Gibson was pitching for the Royals, his LF makes the catch and his pen doesn't let two runners score after he leaves (one on a wild pitch).  Scratch that, any other LF makes the catch.

 

Right.  His history from last year suggests that he can make adjustments after dreadful performances and do quite well.  And his velocity has actually ticked up a bit from last season, across the board on all of his main pitches.

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Honest question. Did they only play 7 innings because it's a double header today? Or do they always play 7 innings?

Just because it was a double header.

A seven inning professional baseball game again? That's not pro baseball. I hate that.  Like playing a double header after a postponed game is too much for these guys. I thought if you are in the minors, it is a given that you need more work, not less.

 

My scenario for Meyer was an either, not both.

 

 

 

I know, but you would still need two predictive outcomes come to pass, Meyer still has to jump over two of three veterans in some fashion.