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ESPN has just released Keith Law's Farm System Rankings. You have to be an insider to read the whole thing but I will share that the Twins are ranked 2nd behind the Astros.

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They have a pair of potential future MVP candidates in Byron Buxton and Miguel Sano, with more power arms than this system has had in ages

 

Tomorrow they will come out with Klaw's top 100 which I will share here. Then Thursday the top 10 list for each AL team. Looking forward to both.

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I'd agree with Law on this one. The Pirates are right there as well along with the Cubs and Red Sox. He also mentions that the Astros have just a slight bit more depth than the Twins and says "the gap between the systems is quite small".

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I'd guess that Meyer's and Stewart's rankings mostly reflect the fact that the minor leagues are loaded right now with elite pitching prospects. We just graduated three prospects (Gibson, Hicks, Arcia), which was two more prospects that the White Sox had on last year's list. To be even a top 5 system is huge these days, because the changes in the rules are making it much more difficult to improve your farm system relative to others. I look at the AL Central and see KC as the big threat (ranked #7) because they have three elite pitching prospects ready soon, and good overall depth to eventually supplement their young nucleus in the show. Then teams fall off the cliff. Cleveland is ranked #17, Chicago #26 and Detroit #28?

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Sano at 8 is ridiculous. Typical KLaw and his Twins hating ways....

 

I do not know if one can really say that. KLaw did rank the Twins system as number two and that doesn't sound like hating to me. Now having said that I do think he is a bit full of himself and does not like to admit he is wrong and he has been wrong about many things on the Twins.

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Sano at 8 is ridiculous. Typical KLaw and his Twins hating ways....

 

KLaw really likes the "total package" guys, and defense is a huge part of that package. If Sano is going to play below-average defense, his "best offensive prospect in the minors" status is only going to carry him so high.

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Rosario is the top rated 2B, and I was surprised to see Wong listed so low. Is the higher rating for Rosario based on Laws projection to move him out to OF after his suspension? I realize that Rosario's experience in the middle infield is limited, but have we thought about trying him at SS?

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I was surprised to here the "rumors" about Rosario being an alleged bad kid. Again, in his chat, KLaw was asked something about his character and he reiterated the point that he had questionable character. If Klaw hears it, I would bet it has some wheels. The kid did fail two drug tests. I don't understand kids smoking pot when they know they can be tested...dumb

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KLaw really likes the "total package" guys, and defense is a huge part of that package. If Sano is going to play below-average defense, his "best offensive prospect in the minors" status is only going to carry him so high.

 

I agree, and Sano's defense may impact his value at the plate. If he can't stick at 3B and moves to 1B, LF, or DH his value drops. He would still lead this team in OPS or be in the top 2, but his value takes a hit. Compare that with guys that can hit and are locks to stay at SS like Correa or Russell. Some find his K's as an issue as well.

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Twins questions and answers from his chat today:

Buxton/Meyer or Appel/Correa - which duo would you prefer?

Klaw (1:25 PM)

Appel/Correa of those choices.

 

Re: Rosario - it is unfortunate that MLB's silly and inconsistent recreation drug testing policy will cost him a large portion of this season.

Klaw (1:27 PM)

I agree with you on the principle, but Rosario's makeup isn't the greatest, and I wonder if this might be a wakeup call for the kid to clean up his act. He has way too much ability to let something like that get in between him and the big leagues.

 

What do you see as Hunter Harvey's advantages over Kohl Stewart, who some saw as the number 1 guy in the draft?

Klaw (1:34 PM)

Harvey came on very strong over the summer after signing, and the Orioles managed to get big results from small tweaks to his delivery. I still love Stewart's upside, but the Twins have more cleanup work to do with him than the O's did with Harvey.

 

Out of your list, who would you say would be most likely to become an MVP candidate

Klaw (1:36 PM)

Buxton.

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Did he expand on Meyer at all? Seems like a 98 mph fastball and 91 mph slider would be closer to MLB's ranking of 28.

 

He worries about tall pitchers being able to find their consistency and stay healthy. He backs it up with some historical numers:

 

only Randy Johnson and J.R. Richard have reached 20-plus WAR among pitchers 6-foot-8 or taller, and only Johnson has made 250 starts.

 

As for Stewart, he says he has incredible raw stuff but expects it will take a long time, perhaps as long as five years, for him to iron it out and move his way through the system. He calls his delivery "crude".

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He worries about tall pitchers being able to find their consistency and stay healthy. He backs it up with some historical numers:

 

 

 

As for Stewart, he says he has incredible raw stuff but expects it will take a long time, perhaps as long as five years, for him to iron it out and move his way through the system. He calls his delivery "crude".

 

His comments on Stewart are odd seeing his coworker Christopher Crawford and BA said Stewart could be the first HS player to make the bigs. While his delivery is crude his stuff is already well above average. Law also had Stewart in his mid season top 50 which is also odd.

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He worries about tall pitchers being able to find their consistency and stay healthy. He backs it up with some historical numers:

 

 

I don't know where to find stats on this, but I dont' recall many pithers 6'8 or taller in MLB. Seems like these guys were playing basketball 10-20 years ago.

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Law is hilarious....check this out...

 

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/49921/mlb-insider-keith-law

 

[h=6]Adam (LA)[/h]

 

Can you actually answer questions about players on the list rather than just the people whining about guys who didn't make it?

[h=6]Klaw (1:21 PM)

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Maybe, if you stop hitting the Submit button repeatedly like a crack-addicted rat in a lab maze.

 

 

[h=6]Devon (Some mountain)[/h]

 

How in the world did Edwin Escobar not make your list?

[h=6]Klaw (1:17 PM)

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Because 100 other prospects were better. Seriously, that's a clown question. Give me a reason why Escobar belonged.

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I was surpised by how low Stewart was but found this encouraging...

 

Mike (DC)

 

 

 

What prospect outside your top 15 or so has the best change to jump to top 5 in next years list? My bet would be on Giolito.

Klaw (1:57 PM)

 

 

 

Or Bundy or Guerrieri. Those are easy calls though, due to the injuries. Could be someone like J.P. Crawford, because he's an up the middle guy with skills on both sides of the ball, or pitchers like Kohl Stewart or Miguel Almonte who flash plus stuff and could do so more consistently this year.

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I also find it interesting that the three guys drafted just above Stewart are ranked 11, 12 and 15. It means nothing of course, except that the perception of there being a large dropoff after those first three picks is still certainly there.

 

Those three above him were all college players who are well over two years older than Stewart. It's not hard to believe they would be ranked higher since they are more likely further in their development.

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I agree, and Sano's defense may impact his value at the plate. If he can't stick at 3B and moves to 1B, LF, or DH his value drops. He would still lead this team in OPS or be in the top 2, but his value takes a hit. Compare that with guys that can hit and are locks to stay at SS like Correa or Russell. Some find his K's as an issue as well.

 

Correa is already 6'4" tall as a 19 year old. He is athletic for his size so he might stick but that is hardly a given at this point.

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Twins have four middle infielders (3) Eddie Rosario (10) Jorge Polanco, SS/2B (11) Engelb Vielma (13) Danny Santana in their top 13 prospects of a very strong farm system.

 

Is that a function of middle infielders being premium value or because these guys are strong prospects? Does anyone have insight on Engelb Vielma? GCL batting stats look pretty weak. Is he in the Florimon mold?

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