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Peter and the Wolf? There was grunting in that?

How'd you know it was my announcement? I don't do them every game, just some of them

Awesome and welcome! We have had a parent or two here over the years. Feel free to jump in where you want to ask questions or to add any ‘inside info’ you might have ?

I hope he continues his climb; sounds promising

Fine. We will just has to agree to disagree at this point. I'm just giving an opinion, not fighting to win a debate. This isn't an all or nothing that I'm stating here, and I've acknowledged the good, but I still don't think of Berrios as an ace. You do. And ne'er the two should meet.

While I agree in some part (maybe not the pop psychology part), that he has occasional 'lapses.' I think all pitchers do, but you are right, this is a must win situation for the Jay's and Berrios needs to come through. But so does the offense. Ober has the makings of a solid, back of the rotation guy, maybe mid-rotation guy, in his rookie year ... if it's must win, shouldn't the Jay's hitters also be making an impact? The loss isn't completely on Berrios, but yes, part of the reason I think of Berrios as a very good, solid pitcher, but not an ace.

@Brock Beauchamp just got this ad ... was at the bottom of a forum thread page ... a sound ad ... and no way to click it off ... grrr ... went away when I clicked 'go to topic listing'. Photo doesn't show it but was for an Amazon visa card, I think.

Just goes to show that prospects aren't finished when they come up, that there is still more to learn at the highest level of baseball and maybe we need to temper our expectations and patience just a little. Rookies need to gain experience, plain and simple. I've actually been very pleasantly surprised with Gordon and think he has a place on this team next year. I want to see what he does with this year's experience under his belt. He has made a good case for himself.

That was a criticism of Buxton, too, when he first came up ... bad jumps, bad paths to the ball, etc ... but his speed made up for it.

I think I've been pretty clear that I don't think Berrios is an ace pitcher and why, which is the subject of this thread. I think I've also been pretty clear that I think Berrios is a very solid good pitcher, one that any/all teams would love to have on their roster. And while a huge loss for us, I think we made a very good trade and I think it was the right trade to make given the circumstances. That's the sucky end of this business, saying goodbye to a beloved player, but that's the business, and all professionals know it. But I think the 'ace' moniker gets thrown about pretty inconsistently and in service to an agenda for some. My comment was more to that than anything else. To call a pitcher the 'team's ace' is nothing more than creating a false value, imo, because saying he's the best pitcher on a team whose pitching has really sucked this year says very little to me.

Dunno. Can you? Probably depends on where 85 pitches gets you, but mostly I'm not a believer in how 'ace' is thrown around to define pitchers because it's so subjective and not specific. Which is more my point ... it's become a useless term, but for people referring to Berrios as the team's ace, well, there you go. He's not an ace, imo, and I've stated that before. And I've also stated that Berrios is a very good solid pitcher and one any team would love to have. But the term ace? meh.

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Ober, team ace. Berríos who?

So ... does tonight's game make Ober our new team ace?

Just got home from work ... did I miss anything?

I think Turtle is gone either way. I don't think that decision will depend on Arraez and Gordon at all.

I keep saying that I think Arraez gets traded in the off season. But the time to have maximized a return was after his 1st year ... and that's when I was saying to trade him

Who's giving Ryan that much credit this soon? I've seen nothing overwhelming from people saying he's the next coming of Johan. Most are pretty tempered about where they think he will end up as a starting pitching contributor. And, he's just getting his feet wet and will have much to prove next season and beyond. But, for right now, he's doing well as a rookie, even starting against bad teams. So what? I don't think the hopefulness is anyone anointing him as anything. We're just happy for the wins and happy for the potential we see. I don't think he will be Johan, not even close. But I think he could be a strong contributor in years to come and that's what I want to see.

Not even close. Hawk Harrelson wins that trophy by a mile, of the ones I've heard. Dick is actually above average, from the ones I've heard. I'm out of area so I listen to a lot of the other teams' broadcasters. But, I get being 'weary' of the ones you have to listen to all. the. time., but he is not the worst or most obnoxious. Listening to the Cubs announcers is no picnic either. Ugh.

heh ... wasn't trying to be diplomatic ... but I probably should have put interesting in quotations ... that was more 'interesting' than it needed to be

Well ... that was more interesting that it needed to be

Um, so?

Maeda 'designs' t-shirts and then sells them for charity ... I think? Hard to get by the Japanese on his IG account. But I suppose these days his off season activity will include a healthy dose of rehab work

Just less than a week ago we were saying it was a classy move for the FO to add him to the 40-man and call him up, a career minor leaguer ... and now it's classless and clueless because they didn't get him into a game. Okay, hmm. While I wanted him to get into a game and am disappointed he did not and wish otherwise, I wouldn't call it classless

Since you heard a first name, I'm assuming you mean Alex Colomé. It gets confusing when you have another reliever whose name is Danny Coulombe. I keep seeing these names and go 'Wait, what? Who? Which? Oh.'