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LOL. I literally just put (and then deleted when I saw yours) this same comment.

I’d be pretty excited if we trade for Musgrove. He looks like an emerging stud.

Agree -- At the very least, he has the potential to be very good. Doesn't mean he will be great for sure, but his ceiling is pretty high.

Agreed. Plenty of reason to be excited. I look at these two, and a few others, as a portfolio of assets. If just a couple hit the Twins are in good shape. Also, thanks!

As a result, yes. You’d obviously prefer to strand runners. But when you think about skills, the ability to strand runners isn’t really a skill. It’s a function of good fortune, generally speaking. That said, pitchers who are good at striking batters out are more likely to strand runners (I went into this a little in the Dobnak post), because some runs score on ground outs and fly outs. Nobody scores on a strikeout, obviously. That being the case, a guy like Thorpe, with a high K rate should have a higher strand rate, not an extremely low one (I generally just expect most pitchers to be about average at stranding runners, TBH).

That’s interesting. I’m going to try to look into this. Thanks!

Okay, time to take a look at Lewis Thorpe. This is, afterall, the reason we all woke up this morning, right? Thankfully for all involved, we can skip the lengthy preamble and just get into the analysis. Like Dobnak, whom I covered in this space last week, Thorpe made his MLB debut for the Twins last season (though he started the year off in AAA, whereas Dobnak basically covered every level in the organization in 2019). Let’s take a look at Thorpe’s results from his MLB stint: • 27.2 IP (essentially the same sample as Dobnak) • 10.08 K/9 (yes, please) • 3.25 BB/9 (that’ll play) • 6.18 ERA (yikes) • 3.47 FIP (okay, let’s take a look at the BABIP, HR rates, and other batted ball tendencies) • 4.14 xFIP (so he had a lower than league average HR/FB rate, but honestly ½ of a run isn’t much in this small of a sample, it’s a difference of 1.5 ER allowed in 27 IP) I see a number of things I want to look at here, and we will see where this takes us: • Swinging Strike Rate: 11.8% • Zone Percentage: 44.3% • BABIP: .438 • HR/9: 0.98 • HR/FB: 10.3% • Line Drive Rate: 31.3% Let’s start with his plate discipline numbers to see whether we think these strikeout and walk rates, which are the stuff aces are made of (a quick a dirty thing to do to identify elite skills is to subtract the BB/9 from the K/9; anything over 6 is great). Let’s start off with the walks and underlying control skills. Thorpe was in the strike zone with 44.3% of his pitches in his limited MLB innings. Among qualified starters, he would have ranked 17th, just behind Yu Darvish and just ahead of Lance Lynn. As I mentioned last week, there were 61 qualified starters, so the top 20 is the top 1/3rd. It’s also worth mentioning that his BB/9 in nearly 100 AAA innings was 2.34 in 2019 and in AA and AAA in 2018, he compiled 130 innings with a 2.5 BB/9. I think it’s safe to say Thorpe has great control and can likely be relied upon to avoid free passes. On to strikeouts. Thorpe has consistently delivered a K/9 in the double digits throughout his time in AA, AAA, and MLB in 2017 (10.50), 2018 (10.92 in AA; 10.80 in AAA) and 2019 (11.12 in AAA, 10.08 in MLB). I’m happy to report that his swinging strike rate during his MLB stint backs this up. His 11.8 swinging strike rate would have been 22nd among qualifying starters (again, right around the top 1/3). As I noted with Dobnak, it is not particularly common for the same pitcher to post strong control numbers and miss a lot of bats. Here is the list of pitchers who had a zone percentage of at least 44.3% and a swinging strike rate of at least 11.8% (if you read the Dobnak post last week, this will look familiar). • Gerrit Cole – 16.8%/45.2% • Max Scherzer – 16.4%/45.6% • Justin Verlander – 16.1%/45.2% • Lucas Giolito – 15%/47.2% • Yu Darvish – 13.4%/44.5% • Charlie Morton – 12.9%/45.1% • German Marquez – 12.7%/46.6% • Walker Buehler – 12.1%/46.5% • Joe Musgrove – 12%/45.5% Still good company, just as it was for Dobnak last week (and I’m on board with prying Musgrove away from Pittsburgh). Okay, so he’s in the zone and missing bats. Those skills have consistently translated to strikeouts and walks (for pitchers in general, and for Thorpe since he was promoted to AA in 2017). So if he’s so great why did he post an ERA of more than 6 runs per nine innings? I know a lot of people won’t like to hear this, but he was unlucky. Pitchers cannot control everything that happens, and particularly in small samples some bad luck can really torch your ratios. For starters, he allowed a .438 BABIP. The highest BABIP among qualified starters was .347 – one hundred points lower! That’s a fluke. Thorpe also only stranded 66% of his baserunners. Only three qualified starters had lower strand rates, and none of then posted a K/9 over 8.5 (Musgrove had the lowest strand rate in the major leagues; more evidence that he'd be a great add). He was helped a bit by having a relatively low HR/FB, particularly given the fact that he allowed a lot of hard contact (39.8%), and the BABIP was fueled by a 31.3% line drive rate. It’s likely intuitive to anyone who has read this far, but line drives are by far the most likely type of batted ball to result in a base hit. Again, though, so much of all of this is dependent on such a small sample that it’s hard to know if that’s really who he is. If those line drives turned into fly balls he’d likely see his BABIP come down, but he’d also likely allow more home runs. It’s also feasible that a pitcher who misses bats like he does can figure out how to induce weaker contact, especially if he relies more heavily on his slider. A commenter noted on the Dobnak post that Dobnak had faced some weaker offenses. That’s also true of Thorpe, who faced AL central foes for the majority of his appearances. Something to keep in mind. Honestly, he’s a lot like Dobnak. The biggest difference between the two (aside from pedigree) is that Dobnak had good fortune with batted balls and Thorpe had bad fortune. All-in-all, I’d say Thorpe gives us plenty of reason to be excited about the possibilities for the back end of the rotation in 2020. The Twins don’t need all of the potential starters on the 40-man to be great, and they appear to have put together a system full of high variance, high upside arms. Not a bad place to be.

Agreed. I'm all for dealing prospects for guys under team control. Not crazy to think they could do an extension with Gray after they get him, too. He's what you hope Balazovic or Duran can be.

I agree with this re someone like Dobnak, but I think they'd move a promising prospect pitcher if the deal was right (e.g., to acquire Jon Gray).

I will be really surprised if he gets traded. If he is awesome they will obviously want to keep him. If he's middling, I don't think they'll find a market for him. Cave gets mentioned a lot as a trade chip, though, and he's the one who makes sense to me. I could see a team buying in to the idea that he could flourish if he's given every day at bats.

Definitely agree -- Pretty much all facets of this team will be interesting/fun to watch this season. Cheers!

Bailey is the default #3 to start the season. By mid-June he's (at best) the Twins' 5th best starter. It would not shock me to see him bumped from the rotation, but I'm just starting this journey. I've heard good things on the #narrative that he turned things around in Oakland.

Nice. I'd need to look into the tendencies of these teams re swinging strikes to see where they stood. Not all bad teams swing and miss a lot. Also, obviously his ability to be in the zone is independent of the opposing team. Good stuff.

If there is a time to dream of such things, it's surely in January.

Thank you! At the very least, we have reason to think he could be fun to watch.