Twins Select RHP Tyler Kinley In Rule 5 Draft (Lose Burdi to Phillies, Bard to Angels)

I think you can agree that they should be aiming higher than a Pressly type. I'm more annoyed they continue to explore this avenue (rule V) when the odds are so low drafting a player who will make a positive impact for the team.

This doesn't make any sense. Participating in Rule V is worthwhile even if the payoff isn't huge. Second guessing the draft and who was lost to the n-th degree is kind of pointless.

Kinley seems like the RH version of Turley. If things click then he could be a solid bullpen option. If things don't click then they burned an offseason 40 man roster spot on him and 50K. Not a huge loss.

I would rather the Twins sign a reliever but they are apparently unwilling to go over a one year deal for a reliever from another team. That is the same strategy that Terry Ryan used. 

Until now (see Twins sign Rodney to one year deal)!!

You can also celebrate about to be 41 year old Fernando Rodney signing a 1/$6 MM contract with the Twins.

Oh boy.

I just got down another bottle.  The excitement is getting hard to contain.

Rodney's ball cap

Obviously now on my Christmas gift list.

Bye-Bye Burdi!  (too soon?)

Wondering...

The Twins didn’t lose anyone in the minor league phase and added two. Does this suggest that the depth of their system is relatively weak?

Hmmm... an interesting move. Kinley's going to be 27 and he's gone from AAA in 2016 to AA and down to A+ in 2017. Sure, he gets strikeouts like nobody's business, but he looks like a career minor leaguer with no success above A+. He's an older, healthier, and less effective version of Nick Burdi. He has no business being on the Twins major league roster, wasting a spot in the bullpen for far more effective pitchers.

It'd be fine with the move if it involves acquiring his full rights and trading somebody insignificant to the Marlins and stashing him in the minors.

So far, can't say I'm a fan of the new regime's rule V picks. Most of the time these picks never amount to anything, so it really doesn't matter very much.

Wondering...

The Twins didn’t lose anyone in the minor league phase and added two. Does this suggest that the depth of their system is relatively weak?

Probably not. It's likely more a reflection that much of the unprotected talent that is not already on the 40-man is in the low minors. Although our depth took a hit with the loss of Bard and Burdi, two of only 15 prospects selected. (The Yanks lost four).

I understand the idea behind the decision to leave the roster spots open and expose the likes or Bard and Burdi.  But not to use the spots for Rodney and Kinley.  Sigh.  I actually would have been more encouraged if the Twins had not signed Rodney today and not taken anyone in the Rule 5.

This doesn't make any sense. Participating in Rule V is worthwhile even if the payoff isn't huge. Second guessing the draft and who was lost to the n-th degree is kind of pointless.

Kinley seems like the RH version of Turley. If things click then he could be a solid bullpen option. If things don't click then they burned an offseason 40 man roster spot on him and 50K. Not a huge loss.

The Twins are bringing in the same types of players they're exposing to the Rule V. If it's "pointless," to consider what they're giving up then isn't it "pointless," to participate in the Rule V altogether?   

I'm not a fan of losing Burdi, especially considering what they brought back, but I do think the Rule V can be used effectively. For that to be the case the player(s) you select should project better than what you've given up. I'm not certain that's the case here. 

I'm not too mad about this yet.  Someone called Kinely a Jim Hoey 2.0, but are we sure that Burdi isn't also a Jim Hoey 2.0? 

Neither can really be Jim Hoey 2.0 until we give up an above-average MLB SS to get him (and then replace that SS with a historically bad international free agent signing.)

So Philadelphia traded Burdi to Pittsburgh for international cap space?

 

Why didn't the Twins do that last week? I don't see what would have prevented them from doing so.

Because they have enough international cap space as is.

OK, you have me interested.

 

I don't like losing Burdi and Bard, and they had the roster spots for all three, but I'm happy to see an actual flame thrower in the Twins bullpen. Since he's a Rule V pick, the team is actually going to be forced to put him on the MLB roster instead of bidding their time with him in the minors until he proves to be too injured or too ineffective as has been tradition with this club.

Pressly and Busenitz.

Now this guy is going to take up a roster space for a month or two and provide minimal benefits. 

Doubtful.

Given his age, if he doesn't outright make the team out of spring training they'll return him.  From their official statement the hope is he comes in and competes for a job.  If he doesn't then there is no reason to keep him around.

Double-A stats

Burdi: 3.68 ERA, 1.41 WHIP, 10.6 K/9, 5.2 BB/9

Kinley: 4.38 ERA, 1.43 WHIP, 10.1 K/9, 4.3 BB/9

 

Burdi is definitely the better prospect, as Kinley is two years older, but it's worth noting that per Baseball America Kinley has been clocked at 100 mph and he was their choice for best slider in the Marlins system.

That, and the fact that Kinley is presumably heathy (and pitching in the Dominican Winter League) makes this a bit more understandable. I think I would still rather use a 40-man slot on Burdi than a 25-man slot on Kinley, but it's close. 

Anyone else tired of all the crushing, yet?

The opportunity cost is worth more than whatever value Kinley could provide... We're now starting the season with essentially 24 players since Kinley will be buried in the bullpen. We've seen for a few years now the disadvantages of that.

Then he'll be kept around for a couple of months before eventually sending him back. Someone else could have taken his reps and innings during that time.

He'll never see Target Field. The billionaires are out $50,000.