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    Seth Stohs

    By the end of this week, the Minnesota Twins will have to add some players to their 40-man roster. The Twins currently have 33 players on their 40-man roster. That number does not include Byung-Ho Kim. So, the Twins could add as many as six players to the roster. Most likely, they will add three to four players.

    In the Twins Daily Offseason Handbook, I went into more detail on several of the players that the Twins will likely consider for adding to the 40-man roster. Today, I’ll post the most likely players for the Twins to add with some more information. We’ll start at #1 with the player most likely to be added, and get through the top 10. Of course, these are just my opinion, so I’d encourage your thoughts below.

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    Let’s get started… but first, who is eligible for the Rule 5 draft if not protected on a 40 man roster?

    • Players signed at the age of 18 or less in 2011 (signed before end of minor league season)
    • Players signed at the age of 19 or more in 2012
    • Players signed under the first two categories in previous years.

    #1 – LHP Taylor Rogers

    The 25-year-old southpaw has moved up a level each year since being the Twins 11th round pick in 2012 out of the University of Kentucky. He has done well as a starter, though many believe that he could be tremendous out of the bullpen. With the Twins depth of starting pitchers, Rogers could be a guy who gets to the Twins quickly out of the bullpen. Consider left-handers hit just .177/.209/.193 (.402) off him in 2015 in AAA. Rogers has a good fastball with a really, really good slider that is devastating to lefties. He needs a better changeup if he wants to be a starter, specifically to help get right-handers out. After throwing 174 innings during the regular season, he has thrown another 25 innings, so far, in the AFL. Rogers will pitch in the big leagues for a long time.

    #2 – OF Adam Brett Walker

    Yes, he strikes out too much. Yes, there are concerns about his pitch recognition. However, he’s just 24, and is a legitimate 8 power on the scout’s 2-8 chart. He led minor league baseball in strikeouts (195) this year, but he also hit 31 home runs and ended with 65 extra base hits. He has led his league in home runs each of the last three seasons. Walker is adequate in the outfield, with an arm for left field. The Twins third-round pick in 2012 out of Jacksonville University has done well in the Arizona Fall League as well, with five home runs.

    #3 – RH RP JT Chargois

    It may sound strange to say that a guy who didn’t pitch in 2013 and 2014 is a given to be added to the 4- man roster, but I believe he is. Why? He is capable and frequently hit 100 mph with his fastball. He was consistently at 98 and 99 mph. He was the Twins second round pick in 2012 out of Rice University where he was co-closer with Tyler Duffey. He pitched 16 innings in Elizabethton that year and then missed the next two years with elbow problems that culminated in Tommy John surgery. He’s not a finished project. He can throw more strikes and his slider, while a terrific pitch, can be inconsistent. Two big league pitches and he can be a dominant late-inning reliever, soon.

    #4 – LHP Pat Dean

    After a 2014 season in AA that he described as remarkably disappointing, Dean responded with a terrific 2015 season in Rochester. The lefty, who was the Twins third-round pick in 2010 out of Boston College. In 2015, he went 12-11 with a 2.82 over a minor league-leading 179 innings pitched. If he isn’t protected, there is a good chance that he is selected in the Rule 5 draft.

    #5 – 2B Levi Michael

    Michael was the Twins first-round pick in 2011 out of the University of North Carolina. His biggest issue through his professional career has been the injury bug. However, the last two years when he has been healthy, he has been good. In 2014 he played in just 65 games but he hit a combined .313/.389/.387 (.776). He spent 2015 in Chattanooga and played just 63 games. He hit .267/.369/.434 (.804) with 12 doubles, five triples and five home runs. Michael may not have any tools that jump out of the roof, but he is a solid player all around. He’s got good speed, puts together good at-bats, has doubles power, and plays solid defense. He is primarily a second baseman, but he could probably make a team as a 25th man who can play all three infield positions. Still just 24, he is a guy who could stick with a big league team.

    #6 – RHP Zack Jones

    A year ago, Zack Jones was on path to be an easy add to the roster at this time. However, after being a Southern League All-Star following a strong first half in AA, he really struggled and ended his season back in Ft. Myers. However, that doesn’t negate his upside. It also doesn’t negate his upper-90s fastball. He also has a very good slider. However, he can struggle with control of each. There may be a team out there willing to give him an opportunity in some low-level situations throughout 2016. He was the Twins fourth-round pick in 2012.

    #7 – RHP Felix Jorge

    Jorge is just 22. He signed out of Venezuela in 2010. He struggled mightily in Cedar Rapids in 2014. He returned to the Kernels and was remarkably consistent all year. In fact, he completed six innings in 19 of his 22 starts and never went less than five innings. I think he’s a longer-shot to be added because he is still quite far from being big league ready.

    #8 – LHP Corey Williams

    Williams came back from Tommy John surgery in early June after having the surgery on April 1, 2014, and missing that season. He split his time between Fort Myers and Chattanooga and pitched well. He is definitely one to watch following a regular offseason. Left-handed. Throws hard. Stuff described as nasty. I feel like he should be higher up on this list.

    The same might be said of another power lefty. Mason Melotakis had Tommy John surgery late in 2014 and will return to action in 2016. When healthy, his 97 mph fastball and three-pitch mix make him intriguing. However, he is behind Williams in the return schedule which makes him unlikely to be taken.

    #9 – OF Travis Harrison

    Twins supplemental first-round pick in 2011 (50th overall) out of high school in California, Harrison has worked his way up one level at a time each year. To this point, his best tool has been his patience and approach at the plate. Still just 23, he has very good power potential despite not hitting home runs the last couple of years. Defensively, he is adequate in right field and has a strong arm. I think it might serve him best to get another half-season in Chattanooga, but there’s still enough upside and talent that a team might be willing to have him take up a roster spot.

    #10 – RHP Yorman Landa

    Signed by the Twins out of Venezuela in 2010, Landa has fought some shoulder injuries the last couple of seasons. When healthy, he is another guy who is capable of reaching into the upper-90s and has a good slider as well. Over time, he could develop into a late-inning power arm. However, having just finished a season in Cedar Rapids, he is likely too far away from the big leagues to be selected in the Rule 5.

    OTHER ELIGIBLES:

    RHP Jose Abreu, RHP Jason Adam, RHP Nick Anderson, RHP Luke Bard, RHP Omar Bencomo, OF Edgar Corcino, RHP DJ Baxendale, RHP Sam Gibbons, RHP Miguel Gonzalez, IF/OF Niko Goodrum, 1B/3B Bryan Haar, 1B Dalton Hicks, LHP David Hurlbut, RHP Cole Johnson, LHP Brett Lee, RHP Kuo-Hua Lo, IF Aderlin Mejia, RHP Alex Muren, C Carlos Paulino, RHP Greg Peavey, C Michael Quesada, RHP Dereck Rodriguez, C Jairo Rodriguez, OF/1B Reynaldo Rodriguez, LHP Randy Rosario, RHP Tim Shibuya, RHP Matt Summers, RHP Loek Van Mil, RHP Todd Van Steensel, IF/OF Logan Wade, LHP Jason Wheeler, IF/OF Stephen Wickens, RHP Alex Wimmers.

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    Things the Twins need to consider in this decision:

     

    1.) Would that player be selected?

    2.) Could that player stick with another team through the year?

    3.) If lost, would it be devastating or would it be fine?

     

    I think the Twins should concern themselves most with number 3.  Don't worry about trying not to lose a guy, only worry about losing a guy you actually want.

     

    To that end, let Dean go.  Unless this team is reverting back to the Albers/De Vries days, there is no reasonable place for Dean on this team, if another team thinks they could use him, good for them and good for Dean, that's what this draft is designed for anyway, so teams can't hoard players they'll never use even if another team would.

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    And you also look at what has been invested in the player (like Kepler, he was an expensive signing by the Twins...the Rule 5 allows you to possibly grab guys that other teams paid good draft money for to add to your system, if you have the ability to keep them on the roster somehow all season).

     

     

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    I think the Twins should concern themselves most with number 3.  Don't worry about trying not to lose a guy, only worry about losing a guy you actually want.

     

    To that end, let Dean go.  Unless this team is reverting back to the Albers/De Vries days, there is no reasonable place for Dean on this team, if another team thinks they could use him, good for them and good for Dean, that's what this draft is designed for anyway, so teams can't hoard players they'll never use even if another team would.

     

    I don't know if that's fair. Maybe, but he put up ridiculous numbers in 2015 in AAA. I've heard that he has really improved his curveball and slider. I'm not saying they should protect him, but I don't think we should talk about him like he has no value. Like I wrote about, he pitched better than Gilmartin when he was taken. I'm not even saying I would protect him, but it's not a bad thing if they do.

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    By the way, those on Twitter will be able to Vote on whether or not you would add these guys to the 40 man roster. 

     

    Go to www.twitter.com/sethtweets for the polls. I mean, you can follow me too, if you want... When you vote, you can see the sample size and the results. Should be interesting. The vote goes for 24 hours and I"ll be sure to post the results here.

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    I don't know if that's fair. Maybe, but he put up ridiculous numbers in 2015 in AAA. I've heard that he has really improved his curveball and slider. I'm not saying they should protect him, but I don't think we should talk about him like he has no value. Like I wrote about, he pitched better than Gilmartin when he was taken. I'm not even saying I would protect him, but it's not a bad thing if they do.

     

    I don't mean to demean Dean at all, simply he has a half dozen guys to jump over to ever be considered for the rotation and he has always had very poor strikeout numbers which should mean he isn't suited for the pen at all.

     

    He's got nowhere to go with the Twins, I really do hope he gets a shot with a team that thinks they could use him.

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    Isn't the likelihood that Jorge gets drafted and sticks on an MLB roster all year a real long shot?

     

    He repeated low A as a 21 year old after being rocked the year before.  His ERA was under 3.00, but he struck out just 7.2 per 9.  I think he would get eaten up in the big leagues right now.

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    Rodgers, Walker, and Chargois are no brainers in my opinion.  I'd probably rather have Levi Michael than Pat Dean personally.  Dean is a guy I'd be trying to trade as he really doesn't have a future in MN and he's at best a 5th starter. 

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    Isn't the likelihood that Jorge gets drafted and sticks on an MLB roster all year a real long shot?

     

    He repeated low A as a 21 year old after being rocked the year before.  His ERA was under 3.00, but he struck out just 7.2 per 9.  I think he would get eaten up in the big leagues right now.

     

    That's my opinion. I think he's got a ton of talent though. I think he's someone they have to consider protecting. I don't think I would. 

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    I don't know if that's fair. Maybe, but he put up ridiculous numbers in 2015 in AAA.

    Ridiculous?  Dean had a nice ERA, but it's considered a pitcher's league.  Just among qualifiers, he was behind 38 year old Randy Wolf, Michael Bowden, and someone named Greg Smith. The top 15 is pretty much a who's who of non-prospects except Henry Owens and Erik Johnson -- you can even find former Twins property Scott Diamond and Kyle Davies in that group:

     

    http://www.fangraphs.com/minorleaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=2&qual=y&type=0&season=2015&team=0&players=0&sort=5,a

     

    This is without even considering peripherals and FIP.

     

    Also, Rule 5 is generally a place where teams grab talented guys who have underwhelming recent minor league stats, not a place to target guys whose recent minor league stats likely outpaced their talent.

     

    I'd be shocked if Dean was selected, and will be disappointed if the Twins protect him.  Not only could it also leave someone else unprotected, but it could prevent us from making our own Rule 5 selection, and perhaps most importantly, ties up a 40-man spot likely for the whole 2016 season that we could use on waiver claims.

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    That's my opinion. I think he's got a ton of talent though. I think he's someone they have to consider protecting. I don't think I would. 

     

    Gotcha.  I would think if he got drafted we would be able to get him back or work out a trade down the road.  Agreed on the talent.

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    Ridiculous?  Dean had a nice ERA, but it's considered a pitcher's league.  Just among qualifiers, he was behind 38 year old Randy Wolf, Michael Bowden, and someone named Greg Smith. The top 15 is pretty much a who's who of non-prospects except Henry Owens and Erik Johnson -- you can even find former Twins property Scott Diamond and Kyle Davies in that group:

     

     

    Ridiculous considering how poorly he (and he admits he) pitched last year, and the fact that he wasn't even supposed to be in the Red Wings rotation to start the season.

    Like I said, I don't think I would protect him, but I don't think it's crazy based on his improvements of the breaking pitches.

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    Just don't see Dean as that needed to be protected.  Williams and Bard scare me as they could be hidden on the 25 man roster, could also see us losing Michael.  Twins could lose 4-5 players this year, it will hurt.  Pick your poison.

    They won't lose that many. Once one of their players is selected they can pull back a number of players IIRC. They could lose one or perhaps two at the worst.
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    Ridiculous considering how poorly he (and he admits he) pitched last year, and the fact that he wasn't even supposed to be in the Red Wings rotation to start the season.

    Like I said, I don't think I would protect him, but I don't think it's crazy based on his improvements of the breaking pitches.

    Thanks for the clarification.  Given you are describing his performance relative to expectations, I think that's much better described as pleasantly surprising/unexpected rather than ridiculous.  Which is good, but probably well short of vaulting him to the top 15 or so among Rule 5 eligible players.  Teams don't draft players in Rule 5 on the basis of how much they exceeded expectations at AAA.

     

    How many players entering their age 27 season have been selected in the Rule 5 draft, much less stuck with their new team?  Outside the odd cases of RA Dickey and Andy Oliver (who both had previous MLB experience), I can't recall any.

     

    Protecting Dean due to "improvements of his breaking pitches" (which only manifested themselves in his results on contact in a AAA pitcher's league and not in K% or BB%), against draft history and Dean's own track record, would indeed be crazy.

     

    Glad to hear you wouldn't do it, but I hope your's and Jeremy's prediction about it doesn't come to fruition.

     

    Nothing against Dean, I absolutely hope he gets an MLB shot somewhere, heck I wouldn't even mind if he got some mop-up innings for the Twins in 2016.  I just don't want us to lock him into a 40-man spot right now, not when we should looking to add talent ourselves via Rule 5, free agency, and waivers.

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    I'm not a huge fan of putting Levi on the 40 as I think if we are keeping both Nunez and Santana we have enough utility infielders.  Even if everybody got hurt I would prefer Polanco to Levi anyway.  I don't think there is enough upside there to put him on.

     

    I felt like Pat Dean had a great year last year but I Like what NicksaViking had to say about Dean.  Again I don't think he is someone worth protecting but the Twins do know him better than I do.  Would be nice if they could work out some sort of trade with him added in.

     

    I really do like Melotakis.  I know it is hard to say how he will come back but he had outstanding stuff.  I liked him as a starter but in the Pen he should be dominant.  Seems risky to leave him out there since it seems guys can be hidden in the pen for other teams.

     

    I like Zach Jones too.  Might be a tougher call there but if it were me I would add him.

     

    Not sure what to think about Harrison as he does have good plate discipline but he hasn't shown power so I would think he would be safe if they don't protect him.

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    They won't lose that many. Once one of their players is selected they can pull back a number of players IIRC. They could lose one or perhaps two at the worst.

    Not true.

    Three of the thirteen selected last year were taken from the Astros.

     

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    RP and utility are the two places where teams can hide players on the MLB roster.

    Michael can't play SS. 

    After Rogers and Walker, protect the hard throwing RP.

    No brainer - Chargois, Jones, Williams (LHP)

    Should - Melotakis (LHP)

    Probably - Bard (if healthy)

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    Not true.

    Three of the thirteen selected last year were taken from the Astros.

     

    That doesn't neccesarly mean it is not true.  The Astros may have not really cared about the other two.

     

    Or been happy that another org was giving them a shot. 

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    I don't believe there is any provision to protect more than 40 players for the MLB phase of the Rule 5 draft, even after one of your unprotected players has been selected.  I don't think I've heard of such a provision for the minor league phase either (although the minor league phases are pretty all-encompassing, isn't Brian Buscher one of the great minor league phase success stories? :) ).

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    "They could lose one or perhaps two at the worst"
    If the Astros lost three, then two can't be the worst.

     

    Right.  I get that three is more than two.  But the initial poster said a team can pull guys back at that point. 

     

    It is possible that a team has that right but does not exercise it.  Probably moot anyways per Spycake's post. 

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    Right.  I get that three is more than two.  But the initial poster said a team can pull guys back at that point. 

    It is possible that a team has that right but does not exercise it.

    It is not in the printed rules for Rule V draft.

    That is another reason that I said that it wasn't true. If it did exist,

    Why would any team NOT exercise it? They have NO ONE they wish to protect?

    Not likely.

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    If I were making the deisions, I wouldn't be overly worried about losing Michael.  If he gets passed over, great.  If he gets selected, oh well.

     

    The only logical replacement on that list would probably be Goodrum, and I can't see him getting selected.  So, maybe he sneaks on there purely because of a lack of alternatives, not because he has any significant projected value to the team in the future.

     

     

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    If I were making the deisions, I wouldn't be overly worried about losing Michael.  If he gets passed over, great.  If he gets selected, oh well.

     

    The only logical replacement on that list would probably be Goodrum, and I can't see him getting selected.  So, maybe he sneaks on there purely because of a lack of alternatives, not because he has any significant projected value to the team in the future.

    Disagree that Goodrum is ONLY logical replacement. IMO Bard, Melotakis, Williams, Jones, Rogers, Chargois, Walker, and Jorge are all keepers, and presently only seven of the eight can be protected.
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    They'll add Rogers,  they'll add Chargois (they better), they'll add Walker. 

    I'd add Michael (I believe that he turned that corner and be with the Twins this season)

     

    Then the equation gets more complex:  

     

    Do they prefer Darnell and O'Rourke more than of Melotakis/Dean/Williams (not sure he will be drafted anyways?)

    Do they prefer Achter and Tonkin rather than Jones, Jorge, Landa?

     

    I don't think that anyone will draft Harrison.  Not ready.

     

    They need space for a couple of MLB-ready arms as well.  I'd waive Darnell, O'Rourke, Achter and Tonkin and add Melotakis, Jorge and Landa.  to the 4 aforementioned.  That leaves them 3 spots plus Park's to add MLB-ready relievers and maybe a bat. 

    Trades/non-tenders should also happen.  Not sure what others on the 40-man roster (Milone/Fien/Nunez) add to a contender.

     

     

    The only other player who might get picked by the likes of Milwaukee or Philly, is Reynaldo Rodriguez, but I don't see them adding him at this point.

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    Milwaukee has nothing to loose by drafting a particular high upside reliever.  A Melotakis (ex.) is a perfect pick for them because they can make it with 39 players and possibly hold him out for medical reasons.  They already know this is going to be a long season, so why not take a shot on a potential key future regular.

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    Milwaukee has nothing to loose by drafting a particular high upside reliever.  A Melotakis (ex.) is a perfect pick for them because they can make it with 39 players and possibly hold him out for medical reasons.  They already know this is going to be a long season, so why not take a shot on a potential key future regular.

     

     

    The rule says that someone taken in the Rule 5 draft has to be active for 90 days before placed in the DL, to prevent things like that.  If Melotakis is not ready to pitch on opening day, I doubt that any team will take a chance on him and effectively play 3 months with a 24 man roster.

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    The rule says that someone taken in the Rule 5 draft has to be active for 90 days before placed in the DL, to prevent things like that.  If Melotakis is not ready to pitch on opening day, I doubt that any team will take a chance on him and effectively play 3 months with a 24 man roster.

    Gotcha

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