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    Parker Hageman

    Will Ron Gardenhire ever manage again? Not this season it appears, that is, unless one of his employed colleagues finds themselves on the wrong end of a midseason pink slip.

    After taking a year off, the former Twins manager was passed over by several clubs this offseason, including the Washington Nationals and the San Diego Padres. The latter was particularly a surprise considering that it was widely assumed by insiders that Gardenhire’s major league managing experience made him the frontrunner for the Padres opening. "We're betting on a person, we're betting on a guy we feel like can be a leader," Padres GM AJ Preller told the San Diego Union-Tribune before finalizing their decision, "someone who can bring more on the relationship and culture side, more on the day-to-day leadership. The clubhouse, the communication, I think that's going to be the biggest thing."

    Nevertheless, when the Padres front office made their decision, it was Andy Green, someone with no major league managing experience, over Gardenhire and his track record of 13 seasons including a Manager of the Year award and a five-time runner-up.

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    While Gardenhire had plenty of on-field managerial shortcomings during his tenure with the Twins – including being late to embracing strategy such as defensive shifts, platooning and effective lineup construction -- being a relationship builder and running a clubhouse was never in question. Gardenhire has earned a reputation as being adverse to the analytics side of the game but during the TwinsDaily Offseason Handbook interview with Terry Ryan, Ryan adamantly defended his former manager suggesting that “Gardy is up to snuff on analytics” despite what some outside critics believe. The Twins analytics department incessantly fed Gardenhire reports and data to aid in his decision-making. Of course knowing them and using them are two totally different things.

    “Believe me, I love to look at numbers,” Gardenhire said in his Hammond Stadium office in his final spring training with the Twins in 2014. “I’ve always been into numbers, I go with match-ups and all these things, I also believe in a starting lineup, trying to put a consistent lineup down. But I use match-ups all the time. I’ve been a little more old school as far as the lineup, one-two-three, that type of thing, the way I grew up playing ball and these things. I see a lot of different lineups nowadays and I’ve been reading into it a little bit more, talking to our people -- it can come up interesting sometimes.”

    The fact that the Dodgers, with a front office which was remodeled completely with the intention of using an analytical slant, has not even contacted Gardenhire for an interview likely speaks volumes toward how that community views him as a manager. (Naturally, they are set to interview Kirk Gibson who comes from an anti-analytics organization himself.) That is not necessarily a knock – after all, the two managers in this past World Series, Ned Yost and Terry Collins, are not known for being forward-thinkers when it comes to using data – but more clubs are expecting their leadership to have this knowledge to better implement on the field what the front office creates off of it.

    To be sure, Gardenhire did not lose the position in San Diego so much as Andy Green won it. “I had heard when he interviewed there that he really knocked it out of the park,” Diamondbacks manager Chip Hale told the Arizona Republic. “They were really excited about him. I’m really proud of him. That’s quite an accomplishment at 38.” At his introductory press conference, Preller raved about his attributes. “There have been big-league managers that have been successful from all different paths. We were open-minded to really any of those paths and finding the right person who had presence, energy, was intelligent on the baseball side, was very prepared. He checked all those boxes. He’s a guy who we feel can connect with our organization and players and take us to a different level.”

    Reportedly, Gardenhire earned enough respect in the San Diego front office that they wanted his experience around the clubhouse, even if it was in a lesser role. According to Dennis Lin of the San Diego Union-Tribune, multiple sources told him that the Padres have offered Gardenhire a bench coach position. On Wednesday, Gardenhire joined MLB Network Radio and told the show that the position was not officially offered. “I don’t think anything has been formerly offered,” he said. “I’ve had a good conversation. The San Diego group was unbelievable.” He also commended Preller on his talents and called him a “brilliant young man”, saying that Preller’s baseball junkie attitude is something that he respects. While most insiders believe Gardenhire would reject the offer, a season tutoring Green while learning the finer points of the National League style of the game would probably be better than sitting out another year.

    With just the Dodgers’ position open and no other job prospects remaining, unless he is willing to guide Green through his first year as an major league manager, Gardenhire will likely spend the summer waiting for the phone to ring.

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    I think that the number of teams that have passed on Gardy speaks volumes about what MLB opinion on him is:

     

    Diamondback – Chip Hale
    Cubs – Joe Maddon
    Dodgers – TBD
    Marlins – Don Mattingly
    Marlins – Dan Jennings
    Brewers – Craig Counsell
    Phillies – Pete Mackanin
    Padres – Andy Green
    Nationals – Dusty Baker
    Astros – AJ Hinch
    Mariners – Scott Servais
    Rays – Kevin Cash
    Rangers – Jeff Banister

     

    That is 13 times by 12 separate organizations that teams have looked at Gardy and said no.  So no, I would not hire him and that opinion seems to be shared by MLB management other than Terry Ryan.

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    "That is 13 times by 12 separate organizations that teams have looked at Gardy and said no.So no, I would not hire him and that opinion seems to be shared by MLB management other than Terry Ryan."

     

    TR did fire him. Just sayin...

     

    Managing anything is a combination of analysis and people persuasion. Sure Gardy is weak on the data analysis and his tactics suffered for it, but talent wins way more games than tactics.

     

    Gardy lost his ability to persuade people when the losing got him down. I think he can regain that ability that he showed very capable of in the first part of his career. Yeah he's folksy and I find that annoying, but he's not my manager, he's a baseball manager. And I think he can make a good ML manager again.

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    I think that the number of teams that have passed on Gardy speaks volumes about what MLB opinion on him is:

     

    Diamondback – Chip Hale
    Cubs – Joe Maddon
    Dodgers – TBD
    Marlins – Don Mattingly
    Marlins – Dan Jennings
    Brewers – Craig Counsell
    Phillies – Pete Mackanin
    Padres – Andy Green
    Nationals – Dusty Baker
    Astros – AJ Hinch
    Mariners – Scott Servais
    Rays – Kevin Cash
    Rangers – Jeff Banister

     

    That is 13 times by 12 separate organizations that teams have looked at Gardy and said no.  So no, I would not hire him and that opinion seems to be shared by MLB management other than Terry Ryan.

    Wasn't it known that he was going to take a year off which makes that list a bit misleading?     If Green was hired last that meant he was passed up by 11 organizations before that so it only takes one to change everything..  

    Gardy was 2nd in the MOY voting 5 times and MOY once.   Not coincidentally it coincides with when the Twins won pennants.   I don't think the game has passed him by.   Royals didn't win the WS with perfect lineups or defensive shifts or advanced metrics.   Or did they?  I really didn't research it.

    I often defended Gardy because he was not the reason they won when they won and he was not the reason they lost when they lost.    I would still defend him but no I wouldn't hire him.   I just don't like him that much.

     

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    Wasn't it known that he was going to take a year off which makes that list a bit misleading?

     

    Gardenhire hired an agent on April 24th this year and was quoted "willing to consider virtually any position" which would mean that for certain all positions filled since then rejected an interested Gardenhire.

     

    Dodgers – TBD
    Marlins – Don Mattingly
    Marlins – Dan Jennings
    Brewers – Craig Counsell
    Phillies – Pete Mackanin
    Padres – Andy Green
    Nationals – Dusty Baker
    Mariners – Scott Servais

     

    http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2015/04/24/ron-gardenhire-has-hired-an-agent-to-find-him-another-managing-gig/

     

    I would also say that I am not aware of any quote where he said he would turn down a managerial position if offered last offseason.  I can only find quotes where he rejected working for the Twins in 2015 in any capacity.

     

    http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/02/23/ryan-says-gardenhire-welcome-to-work-for-twins/

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