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    Michael Bates

    It’s not likely to make a huge difference in the long run between whether the Twins win in 2016 or not, but the battle for the fourth and fifth outfield spots is shaping up to be interesting just a few games into spring training. With Byron Buxton the presumptive center fielder on Opening Day, Eddie Rosario in left and Miguel Sano in right, and the inevitable twelve-man pitching staff, Minnesota has room for one full- time outfielder and maybe a utility guy to come north.

    Let’s handicap the field at this point, assuming that two guys out of this group make the club:

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    Ryan Sweeney

    Sweeney didn’t play in 2015, but is coming back as a 31-year-old. Once a top prospect in the White Sox organization (and considered one of the best BP hitters in baseball history), Sweeney never really clicked. Still, he brings a veteran presence (and we know how much the Twins value that), plays center field, and hits from the left side (to complement Buxton from the right). Through five games, he’s hit .333/.500/.400 in 16 plate appearances. Certainly, we shouldn’t take spring training performance at face value, but he’s also earning rave reviews according to Mike Berardino:

    https://twitter.com/MikeBerardino/status/706907508674273281

    Chances he'll come north? 75%. Almost nothing would shock me less. Sweeney’s the kind of guy the Twins could fall in love with, and I think one of the next two guys will flop hard enough that the Twins will want to keep him around. Not that that’s a bad thing. I think Sweeney’s still got the potential to be a useful ballplayer.

    Danny Santana

    Santana has the most plate appearances on the Twins so far through six spring training games. And while he’s only hitting .111/.105/.278, it’s clear that the Twins are heavily invested in him winning the job. It looks like Santana might not be willing to cooperate, but they’ll give him every opportunity to fail. And I do mean every single one, as he’s out of options. Plus, as a switch hitter who can play shortstop (in theory), he has added value. If he keeps this slow start up, however, perhaps he’d be a guy you could slip through waivers.

    Chances he'll come north? 60%. Far higher than his performance has earned.

    Oswaldo Arcia

    Left-handed, with incredible power, Arcia is a streaky hitter who runs unbelievably hot and cold. He would almost certainly be better served by a starting role, which would allow him to find his groove. Barring an injury, that’s not likely to happen. Arcia’s already made a bit of news by walking three times in one game over the weekend, something he’s done only once in the majors, and said afterwards that being more patient is a point of emphasis for him. We’ll see. Like Santana, he is out of options, and seems unlikely to slip through waivers. He’s been in the Twins’ doghouse for so long, however, that they may not care.

    Chances he'll come north? 40%. His power is undeniable, but the defense has been awful (though he's made some impressive defensive plays so far, he can’t play center field, and is seen as a disappointment. My guess is that either Santana or Arcia will get put on waivers. Santana’s positional flexibility gives him the edge, and if Sweeney makes the club, he and Arcia are both left-handed.

    Carlos Quentin

    Kind of the right-handed version of Arcia, but Quentin also has that veteran label that the Twins have loved in the past. He didn’t play last year, but has nine years in the league hitting .252/.347/.484 (120 OPS+). He’s also like Coach from Cheers (I’m an old person), in that it’s virtually impossible not to hit him with a pitch and he is incredibly delicate, topping 100 games played just three times in his career. The reviews of his performance so far are a little mixed:

    https://twitter.com/MikeBerardino/status/707252883000004608

    Quentin offers a little versatility in that he can also play first base, but God knows the Twins have enough guys who can do that right now, between Mauer, Park, Sano and Vargas.

    Chances he'll come north? 12.5%. Something would have to happen to one of the other 1B/DH/corner OF guys for Quentin to make the team, especially as a right-handed bat. His other best hope is that the Twins decide to send Buxton to Rochester for a month.

    Darin Mastroianni

    If Santana and Arcia had options left, I’d bet the Twins would find some way to keep Mastroianni around. He’s able to play all three outfield spots and is an accomplished base stealer. He also had a previous go-around with the Twins that ended in injury woes. He’s not a good player, but fits fine as a below-average backup outfielder.

    Chances he'll come north? 6.3%. Mastroianni is just behind too many people on the depth chart, and isn’t good enough to be more than an emergency option at this point.

    Max Kepler

    He’s a great young prospect who can handle center field for now, has tremendous plate discipline and good mid-range power to go with a strong hit tool. Kepler’s likely to be the best position prospect in the Twins’ minor league system at the start of the year. He’s had three singles in nine plate appearances so far.

    Chances he'll come North? 6.3%. There’s simply no chance of Kepler making this team unless Buxton doesn’t or someone gets hurt. The Twins need him to play everyday, and keeping him in a reserve role will stall the development of one of their future linchpins.

    Others

    Joe Benson is a 28 year old who has hit .202/.288/.302 at Triple-A. He’ll be depth at Rochester.

    No one short of Miguel Sano has Adam Brett Walker’s power, but his complete inability to control the strike zone means that he’ll spend almost all of 2016 in the minors. He’ll have to make incredible adjustments to find any success in the Majors.

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    If Arcia does not make the team, the Twins do not have much LH power left.  He has to make the team.  Too many righties and most of the good pitchers out there, esp in the division (other than Sale and Quintana) are right handed.   They just need that LH power

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    Twins release quentin if he asks, otherwise we'll option him to aaa as depth and try to keep him there in June. If there is anyone we don't want to lose, but can't justify keeping on the team, there will be an injury he was battling since last year, probably santanas wrist, arcias back, or sweeney will pop a hammy. 15 day Dl if no one else gets hurt, 60 day, rehab, rinse, repeat.

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    My opinion...

     

    Danny Santana 99%

    Oswaldo Arcia 99%

     

    Others combine for like 2%

     

    Santana theoretically can play 6 positions, including CF. There's value in that.

     

    Arcia's power and youth is still valuable and the fact that Rosario can play CF too, he'll be around.

     

    My caveat would be that the Twins could get an offer for one of them in the last week of spring training and take it. 

    I agree with all of this

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    Plus Sano can probably play center I hear he's very athletic!

    He moves really well for a guy his size! Plus, he owns a catcher's mitt, so hey! Third catcher.

     

    Boom. Done. I'm having a drink.

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    I actually think the author, Mike Bates, has a valid point. If you consider spring training at all to this point, Sweeney has a .333 batting average and .500 OBP. Plus he can – and has - played center field (I don't know how well). He has played more right field. Just thinking out loud – I think the Twins might just bring him north to be a late-inning defensive replacement for Sano. He at least has some pop in his bat. I have nothing against Danny Santana, but if his spring training numbers don't improve at the plate, the Twins may put him through waivers. Sweeney and Arcia, would be left-handed options off the bench. But Arcia will also be on a short leash. 

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    I think what should happen is Buxton starts the year in AAA (he's looked as awful this spring as he did during his cup of coffee) and Sweeney, Arcia, and Santana make the team. Reevaluate in a month. I bet Santana doesn't make it to Memorial Day with the club.

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    I actually think the author, Mike Bates, has a valid point. If you consider spring training at all to this point, Sweeney has a .333 batting average and .500 OBP. Plus he can – and has - played center field (I don't know how well). He has played more right field. Just thinking out loud – I think the Twins might just bring him north to be a late-inning defensive replacement for Sano. He at least has some pop in his bat. I have nothing against Danny Santana, but if his spring training numbers don't improve at the plate, the Twins may put him through waivers. Sweeney and Arcia, would be left-handed options off the bench. But Arcia will also be on a short leash. 

    If Buxton doesn't make the team, Santana is probably the opening day CFer and Rosario is his backup. There's about .1% chance Danny doesn't make the team.

     

    Sweeney has 23 HRs in over 2,200 major league plate appearances, so I'm not sure what pop you're talking about.

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    We've got people evaluating Ryan Sweeney + Buxton on their 1st 12 (Sweeney) and 11 (Buxton) at bats of spring.  The season can't start soon enough.   :banghead:

    I don't think anyone is evaluating based only on spring training results so far.  We're speculating on possibilities and likelihoods, the whole darn point of a fan site.  Do you expect us to suspend such comments for a month?

     

    I think it's fair to say that Buxton could go to AAA, opening the door for Sweeney to make the team.  Given how early it is, the last week probably hasn't moved the needle a whole lot in Sweeney's favor, but it certainly hasn't hurt him either.

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    I do have a problem with all the at-bats Quentin is getting right now.  I don't see him as the answer to any problem we have.

    Looking closer, Quentin doesn't rank particularly high for spring AB so far, and it doesn't appear that he has taken playing time away from anyone, so I wouldn't read too much into it, yet.  If it's later this month and he climbs into our top 10 for spring AB, like Kubel and Bartlett did in 2014, then we might have a problem.  That's often a precursor to an opening day roster spot.

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    Eventually we as fans need to let Buxton spread his wings and fly here.. I'd pencil him in as the opening day CF in the #9 hole and see what happens. If he's putting up 2013 Aaron Hicks-like numbers through the first month and change, then it'd be time to re-evaluate and mess with the 40 man to get Sweeney added.  

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    We've got people evaluating Ryan Sweeney + Buxton on their 1st 12 (Sweeney) and 11 (Buxton) at bats of spring.  The season can't start soon enough.   :banghead:

     

    Agreed on Sweeny.  Disagree  on Buxton.  Buxton has a fatal flaw:  He cannot hit major league breaking stuff or lay off major league sliders in the dirt.  It is a pitch recognition thing.  Hopefully he will grow out of.

     

    It is like with a smoker:  seeing him/her smoke one cigarette is good enough to know that he hasn't quit.

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    Yeah, I get it.  I was just drawing a distinction between a BP hitter and a great hitter.

     

    Most of Thome's great hitting was done against the Twins (remember Blackburn's greatest moment?) so I tend to ignore the guy.  He is Brett Favre to me

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    I have a good feeling about Arcia. I think he's decided to really take that professional athlete thing seriously. He spent all winter pounding his body into shape. He's lighter, stronger, faster... Cue theme from 6 Million Dollar Man...

     

    If Arcia really does show better plate discipline, maybe this is the year he becomes a real live pro baseball player. A legit lefty power bat that plays respectable left field... The Twins could use that.

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    Clearly I am in over my head with some very basic math here.

     

    8 starting position players

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    5 starting pitchers (even with the inevitable "don't need a 5th starter until April 20th or whatever_

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    8 relievers

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    4 bench players.  OK.  I'm not the only one who needs math help…not sure where the 6 relievers comment came from.

     

    Anyway, if I wanted to keep a fifth bench player, and if I actually knew anything, I'd probably expose Dean to waivers if I needed a spot on the 40 man.

    Hey bud, the Twins are an american league team and normally start 9 guys. we have the DH you know :)

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    people are talking about Buxton as a sure thing to head north.  I suspect that he's in AAA and Sweeney heads north in his place.  Arcia and Santana are locks as far as I'd guess. 

    I actually agree with this!

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    I just don't see Arcia as a bench player.  Pretty one dimensional and needs a lot of AB's to be successful.  I see Arcia as having a fair, but not great, spring at the plate.  The Twins get a trade offer from a team that still thinks Arcia has potential.  Twins take the deal and move on.

     

    I don't think Santana is a lock, either.  Just like Buxton, he's gotta get on base.

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    SSS but Sweeney looks like a professional hitter, patient, thorough, puts a good swing on the ball.  I could see those ABs, late in the game, really paying dividends.

     

    You hate to ever give up on a Santana or an Arcia, especially if Arcia's power ever comes back, but, the Twins do have a surplus of young talent and they can't keep them all.

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    SSS but Sweeney looks like a professional hitter, patient, thorough, puts a good swing on the ball.  I could see those ABs, late in the game, really paying dividends.

     

    You hate to ever give up on a Santana or an Arcia, especially if Arcia's power ever comes back, but, the Twins do have a surplus of young talent and they can't keep them all.

    What's with all of this irrational love for Ryan Sweeney? He has a MLB OPS of .713 and minor league OPS of .765.

     

    Arcia's MLB OPS is .741 and his minor league OPS is .875. He had more HRs last year than Ryan Sweeney has ever hit in any season, and he was dealing with an injury.

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    I believe Arcia makes the roster unless something truly bizarre happens.

     

    The same goes for Santana. I suspect the Twins are positioning him to be a super-utility guy, which is why they're playing him all over the diamond.

     

    In fact, I think the Twins bench is almost a given:

     

    Arcia

    Santana

    Murphy

    Nunez

     

    The only question in my mind is who gets the fifth spot (which is likely to be the starting CF position). Is it Buxton? Santana? Sweeney? And Buxton almost surely has the job by June 1st anyway.

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