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  • Where Are We Now? (152 Down, 10 To Go)


    Seth Stohs

    On Wednesday, the Twins lost in New York to the Yankees (Rinse. Repeat.) Fortunately, the Twins got help from the American League Central Division champions from Cleveland. Late on Wednesday night, the Angels lost a second-straight one-run game at the hands of Cleveland. That combination of events means that the Twins, despite their struggles in New York, they still have a 1.5 game lead in the American League Central. With all these losses, could another team work its way into the picture?

    Nine days ago, we took a look at the teams competing with the Twins for the second American League Wild Card spot. Seven teams were within four games of each other with between 18 and 20 games to play.

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    Today, there are six teams within four games of the Twins and that second Wild Card spot. Baltimore is the one team that has fallen back. They are now 5.5 games back. Of course, being four games back with 20 games to play is very different than being four games back with ten games to play.

    Here is how the 2nd Wild Card race stands with 11 days left in the regular season (12 if there is a Game 163).

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    Fortunately for the Twins, the other teams have all struggled in the last 9-10 days too. The Twins have gone 4-5 in the last nine days, but each of the other teams competing for the second Wild Card spot have been under .500. The Angels, Rangers, Mariners and Royals were all 3-5 during that time frame. The Rays were 3-4. The Orioles fell out of the race by going 2-7.

    So, the Twins have lost four of their last five games but only lost 1.5 games in that time frame. The Twins still have the advantage for a playoff spot, and that should be encouraging.

    Of course, here is the time when it is important to mention that the Twins went 59-103 last year, and they now have 78 wins this season with ten games to play. Yes, 2017 has been a tremendous success for the Twins regardless of what happens over these final ten games. That said, it’s OK to recalibrate your expectations (or at least your hopes) for the 2017 season at this point.

    With ten games to play in a 162 game season, it’s as if the Twins have a one-run lead going into the bottom of the ninth inning of their season. Now it’s time to bring in the closer and finish the season strong.

    Here is a quick look at the remaining schedule.

    The Twins start with four games in Detroit and then head to Cleveland for three games. They finish with three home games against the Tigers.

    Seven games against the Tigers would seen to be a very positive thing for the Twins, and relatively speaking, it is. The Tigers traded off some veterans including Justin Verlander and JD Martinez in the last couple of months. They are playing for 2018. So they can be a scary opponent too. The Twins obviously have motivation to finish strong and get to a one-game playoff. But the Tigers players have motivation to finish strong and try to impress the manager and the front office.

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    Earlier this week, we ran a twitter poll asking fans how many wins it would take to win the second Wild Card. 54% thought that the team would need to get to 85 wins. To reach 85 wins, the Twins would have to finish the season by going 7-3, which is certainly possible. The most plausible way to 85 now it winning one of their three games in Cleveland and then win six out of seven games against the Tigers.

    But maybe we also need to recalibrate our thoughts on how many wins it will take to get to the playoffs. The Angels are 1.5 games behind the Twins and have a 76-75 record. They have 11 games left, so for them to get to 85 wins, they will need to go 9-2. They have one more game to play against Cleveland followed by three games in Houston. Those two teams are competing for the best record, and home field advantage in the playoffs. They also do not have a day off the rest of the season.

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    If 84 is the number of wins needed, the Twins would have to go 6-4 in their final ten and the Angels would have to go 8-3. For the Angels to go 8-3, they would likely need to win one of the four remaining games against Cleveland and the Astros, and if they do that, they would have to win their four games at Chicago (White Sox) and three games against the Mariners to end the season.

    More important, if 84 is the new number that we believe that it will take to win the second Wild Card, it is harder to envision that this is more than a two-team race. Texas is now 75-76 and 2.5 games back of the Twins, but to get to 84 wins, they would need to go 9-2 down the stretch. Feasible? Yes. Likely? No. However, after playing in Seattle today, they will play seven games in Oakland but three against Houston.

    The Mariners would have to go 10-0 down the stretch to get to 84 wins, and they have three games against Cleveland and three on the road against the Rangers.

    The Royals would have to go 10-1 down the stretch. While they have the “easiest” schedule down the stretch, they have one game in New York against the Yankees that will certainly be difficult, and they only have a one-game margin for error. The Rays would have to go 10-0, and they have three against the Yankees.

    So again, it now appears to be just a two-team race for the second Wild Card. Unless, of course, 84 isn’t the required win total.

    PLAYOFF ODDS

    Here are the projections for which of the competing teams will make the playoffs:

    FanGraphs:

    Twins: 62.4%

    Angels: 26.0%

    Rangers: 4.8%

    BaseballProspectus:

    Twins: 65.0%

    Angels: 20.4%

    Rangers: 9.0%

    FiveThirtyEight

    Twins: 64%

    Angels: 22%

    Texas: 9%

    FiveThirtyEight predicts that the Twins will end with a record of 83-79. That would mean a 5-5 record down the stretch.

    REMAINING SCHEDULES

    Minnesota Twins (78-74)

    4 games @ Detroit

    1 Day Off

    3 games @ Cleveland

    3 games vs Detroit

    Los Angeles Angels (76-75, 1.5 games behind Twins)

    1 game vs Cleveland

    3 games @ Houston

    4 games @ White Sox

    3 games vs Seattle

    Texas Rangers (75-76, 2.5 games behind Twins)

    1 game @ Seattle

    3 games @ Oakland

    3 games vs Houston

    4 games vs Oakland

    Seattle Mariners (74-78)

    1 game vs Texas

    3 games vs Cleveland

    3 games @ Oakland

    1 day off

    3 games @ LA Angels

    Kansas City Royals (74-77)

    1 game @ Toronto

    3 games @ Chicago White Sox

    1 game @ NY Yankees

    3 games vs Detroit

    3 games vs Arizona

    Tampa Bay Rays (74-78)

    4 games @ Baltimore

    1 day off

    3 games @ NY Yankees

    3 games vs Baltimore

    So, what do you think will happen? What do the Twins need to do?

    I think the most important thing that the Twins can do is forget the three games in New York. Notice that they control their own destiny, they have the lead in the wild card race, and they can only control what they do. They need to take care of business in Detroit, and they need to find a way to eke out a win in Cleveland. Then they’ll still need to finish strong against the Tigers at home.

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    Texas the bigger threat right now.

     

    I wish the Angels and Texas played each other but they don't.

     

    Gotta hope the A's got some gamers on their team and don't fold, unlike the Tigers. :)

     

    Yup. Rangers will finish ahead of the Angels. Thank goodness for the Tigers.

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    The problem with those playoff percentages is they have never been quality checked, are based on dubious assumptions, and they change daily which makes them wrong 161 game days out of the year.

     

    We don't need percentages. The Angels/Rangers need 5-game swings to happen with 9/10 games left. This isn't likely. Is it 75% unlikely? Don't know, don't care. If someone tells you that they DO know, run away.

     

    Whether or not we have these percentages, we are still evaluating the outcome day-to-day. The percentages do nothing for us. They don't help us and they are without meaning.

     

    No one is claiming the probability percentages are perfect.  But "this isn't likely" could mean 51% or 75% of 99%.  Some of us enjoy seeing probability in less binary terms, grayscale instead of simple black and white.  (Imagine the killjoy who says with every plate appearance, "a base hit isn't likely here" :) )  Feel free to disregard, if you prefer.

     

    FWIW, Fangraphs "coin flip mode" is a decent sanity check with so few games remaining -- since game outcomes are indeed binary, if you simply flipped a coin for the results, what are the odds you could make up a deficit of X flips with Y flips remaining?  Twins are at 75.5% there right now.  Obviously no one is flipping coins and we will all watch them play the games, but I enjoy seeing that 75% as opposed to just "this is/isn't likely", which could be equally applied to a variety of deficits right now.

     

    Also, semantics, but describing a 2.5 game deficit as a "5 game swing with 9/10 remaining" sounds like you are double-counting the numerator (5 combined Angels/Rangers wins and Twins losses) and only single-counting the denominator (since each team has 9/10 games remaining, so there are actually 19/20 events to make up the "5 game swing").

     

    I tend to think of days, so the Angels/Rangers need to make up ground on the Twins for +3 days over the next 10.

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    Just one wanna-be mathematicians view on all the probability...percent chance...Games Back

     

    If you want a true measuring stick you can go by with ZERO chance for error it's the Magic Number

    (blatant self-promoting link to other topic) http://twinsdaily.com/topic/27502-its-never-too-early-for-magic-number/

     

    The whole if's and but's...candy and nuts deal is just to uplifting or heart-saddening

     

    With 100% guaranteed results if the Twins win 8 of 9 they are in (can even lose 1 and still make it)

    For every game the Rangers and Angels lose we can lose another one

     

    Simple...straight forward and easy..almost like Magic  :huh:

     

    Here are the current Magic Numbers for the Twins to Eliminate each team

     

    Angels - 8

    Rangers - 8

    Royals - 7

    Mariners - 5

    Orioles - 4

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    The problem with those playoff percentages is they have never been quality checked, are based on dubious assumptions, and they change daily which makes them wrong 161 game days out of the year.

     

    We don't need percentages. The Angels/Rangers need 5-game swings to happen with 9/10 games left. This isn't likely. Is it 75% unlikely? Don't know, don't care. If someone tells you that they DO know, run away.

     

    Whether or not we have these percentages, we are still evaluating the outcome day-to-day. The percentages do nothing for us. They don't help us and they are without meaning.

     

    I'm confused by the statement that they must be wrong because they change as new information comes, and as the ability close the gap decreases. If they didn't change every day, we'd have a really bad problem....those are odds, nothing more or less than probability estimates. help me understand your statements. How are they w/o meaning, exactly? 

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    If a team wins half its game, that equals 81 wins.  If they win 82 games they are only 1 win over 50%.

    No matter what number of games is needed to get in the playoffs, the clubs will still be mediocre.

    Of course the Twins could get in the playoffs and beat the Yankees, They will be a celebrated club in Twins History.  Its all a matter of perspective.  :D

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    It has been a good night for sccoreboard watching.  The Twins took care of business, Houston shut out the Angels 3-0, Chicago beat KC 7-6 after a wild 9-2-3-6 DP to end the game, and Oakland has just finished off Texas, 4-1.  

     

    The magic number is now 6, with 5 games remaining against what's left of the Tigers.  The series against the Indians might be survivable.

     

    Edit:  It was a 9-2-4-6 DP.  The second baseman was covering first after the throw home from RF. 

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    With ten games to play in a 162 game season, it’s as if the Twins have a one-run lead going into the bottom of the ninth inning of their season. Now it’s time to bring in the closer and finish the season strong.

     

    Great comparison. Hard to believe the lead was only 1.5 games lead a week ago.

     

    With the magic number now at one, the Twins have retired the first two batters and the Angels are down to their last strike. The crowd is on its feet!

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