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    Seth Stohs

    The bullpen has been an issue for the Twins during the first half of the 2017 season. While expectations were not high going into the season coming off of a 103-loss season, the Twins are above .500 as the All-Star Game approaches.

    Following the All-Star break, Twins Daily will be a great place for Twins fans to keep up with the rumors. Who are some of the players that the Twins could acquire from other organizations if they are buyers? How about if they become sellers? Which prospects might the Twins be willing to trade?

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    Two relievers are believed to be on the market already, playing on teams that are clearly playing for the future. They are relief pitchers who could make the Twins bullpen stronger during the second half.

    In addition to their tremendous on-field statistics, these two players are #OneOfUs. Brooklyn Park grad Pat Neshek and Chaska High School alum Brad Hand are having great seasons. On Sunday, both were named to the National League All-Star squads, and not just because their teams had to have one representative. Today we consider why these are guys who could help the Twins, and what it might cost to get them.

    DISCLAIMER: I know there is a sentiment among many Twins Daily readers that ‘bringing back the band’ or acquiring guys who are “one of us” is a bad thing. However, I tend to believe that if the player remains good and can help a team win, then it just doesn’t matter. If Pat Neshek and/or Brad Hand can help the Twins win games in 2017, I don’t care if they’re from Minnesota or Texas. Australia or Venezuela. They happen to be from Minnesota.

    In the Twins history, we’ve seen both sides of this. Terry Steinbach and Dave Winfield being brought back worked out. Bringing back Jason Kubel and Jason Bartlett didn’t pan out. We’ve seen how Twins fans can turn on players when they don’t become what we thought they might, or they didn’t measure up in some way. We’ve seen one of the top five hitters in the organization’s history and a Minnesotan bashed to a crazy, unfair degree, in part because he’s from Minnesota. Imagine the scrutiny Kent Hrbek might have endured had he played during the age of Twitter.

    PAT NESHEK

    Let’s start with Pat Neshek since he’s got a bit of a double whammy. Not only is he from Minnesota, he was drafted by the Twins in 1999 and 2002, and played in the big leagues for the Twins between 2006 and 2010. He came up and used his funky delivery to dominate hitters immediately. He had Tommy John and missed most of 2008, all of 2009, and most of 2010.

    The Twins let him go in the spring of 2011 and he bounced around a bit. He took off again in 2014 with the Cardinals. In fact, that’s the year that he made his first All-Star appearance, ironically in Target Field. He signed a two-year deal with the Astros, with an option for 2017. After he was traded to the Phillies, they picked up his option for this year at $6.5 million. He will be a free agent at the end of the season.

    Neshek will turn 37 in September. This year, he has worked 32.1 innings for the Phillies. He’s struck out 8.2 per nine, a K-rate of 26.1%. He’s walked just 2.1 per nine. He’s given up just two home runs this season.

    He has a 1.39 ERA and a 0.87 WHIP. If you enjoy FIP and xFIP, his numbers are 2.41 and 3.59. He has a WAR of 1.1 already this season.

    From sidearm, Neshek has thrown 49.7% fastballs with an average velocity of 90.1. He has also thrown 47% sliders at 83.1 mph. He throws a changeup too, but just 3% of the time. 73% of his 491 pitches have been strikes.

    The Phillies are 28-55, so there is little reason for them to hold on to a veteran with an expiring contract in the second half.

    BRAD HAND

    Likewise, the Padres are just 36-48 at the halfway point of the season. They have three Rule 5 players on their roster and a plan to continue adding more young talent.

    Brad Hand was the second-round pick of the Marlins way back in 2008 out of high school. He signed and by June of 2011, he was a 21-year-old in the big leagues. He struggled with the Marlins, particularly as a starter. Last spring, the Marlins DFAd him and he ended up with the Padres. He’s become one of the better, and most used, relievers in baseball.

    Last year, he posted a 2.92 ERA over a league-leading 82 games. This year, he’s already pitched in 40 games and has a 2.42 ERA and a 0.94 WHIP. He has struck out 11.2 per nine innings while walking just 2.4 per nine. He’s given up less than a home run per nine innings.

    His FIP is 2.88, with an xFIP of 2.96. He’s pitched to a WAR of 1.0.

    Hand throws 49% fastballs at an average of 93.3 mph. He also throws his slider about 45% of the time, at 82 mph. His third pitch is more of a slow curve ball, which he throws just six percent of the time.

    Hand turned 27 in spring training. 2017 was his first year of arbitration and he’s making just shy of $1.4 million. In 2018, he will again be arbitration-eligible for the second time.He’ll have his third and final arbitration in 2019 before having the potential to become a free agent after the 2019 World Series.

    WHAT IT MIGHT TAKE

    There are reportedly several teams evaluating and considering acquiring Neshek including the Nationals. The belief is that it won’t take a ton to get Neshek, a “low level prospect.” Because there are other teams interested, the price could get raised a bit. I would guess it would take a top 20 prospect.

    To acquire Hand, it is likely to cost the Twins (or another team) much more. He’s nearly ten years younger and has two-and-a-half years under a team’s control. There is value in that. There is no other reason for the Padres to trade him, other that they can ask for the world for him and sell very high. He would likely require a top 10 prospect and a second or even a third piece.

    Do the Twins have the pieces to make these moves? No question. Do they want to outbid other teams and match the requirements of the teams? That we don’t know.

    Would the Twins have any desire to acquire One of Us, maybe even Two of Us?

    What would you do? How much (and name names) would you be willing to give up for these two guys?

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    Its not that complicated. No need to look at strength of schedule or padded record or any of that.
    We played them head to head and it left zero doubt they were the much better team.

    The same goes for Boston, and I suspect the Yankees will whoop us, too. If the Twins aren't going to be competitive in the playoffs, I'd rather they sell like mad and give more ABs and IPs to younsters to see who can stick in the bigs, specifically Zach Granite (for Rosario), Mitch Garver (for Giminez), Nick Gordon (for Escobar), Fernando Romero (for Santana, which hurts me most), Stephen Gonsalves (for Santiago, who will likely be DL'd for good), and Luke Bard (for just about anyone in the pen).   

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    There will probably be several other teams who will offer more than the Twins are willing to offer.

    These aren't your father's Twins, and they have more to offer than just about any team.

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    Just because June trades don't happen often doesn't mean they can't. There were even rumors that the Padres were willing to move Hand in June. The same link also cites the trade that landed Jake Arrieta in Chicago (finalized on July 2). So while unconventional, June trades do happen and can work out.

    I never said it can't happen. But the buying team generally has to pay extra to make it happen early. That is why they are rare, the buyers generally aren't willing to pay the steep price. What exactly do you see the Twins giving up for Hand? He might be the top reliever on the market. If you want the Padres to forego the July bidding, you will probably have to offer up Gordon, or maybe Romero or Gonsalves plus another piece.

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    Hand is going to be a hot target for multiple teams this July. I don't know if the Twins should be buying when he's at the peak of his value. 

     

    It's pretty cool that a Chaska guy has gone from DFA'd to All-Star in 1.5 years. I was able to bat against him in HS... Went 0-2 with 2 swinging strikeouts, and 1 foul ball!

    So who will close games next year when Kintzler and Perkins are both gone, and May is coming back from surgery? They're not going to sign a free agent reliever for big money. Hand is an absolute perfect fit, and something tells me Falvey and Levine will find a way to get it done.

     

    We can only hope the Padres are interested in either established big leaguers like Escobar and Rosario, or prospects that are three years away. I can't believe Preller would shut the door on the Twins after asking for Gordon and getting a "no way."

     

    There are plenty of prospects the Padres could use, and even another one at SS in Wander Javier. So which one do you keep. The one who's closer or the one who's younger? I go with Gordon because Royce Lewis was just drafted number one overall, is playing shortstop with GCL Twins, and is absolutely wrecking baseballs to start his career (.986 OPS, six 2Bs in 37 ABs).

     

    I couldn't fault Falvey and Levine for trading Javier and another prospect for Hand, regardless of what Javier becomes -- unless Hand turns into Matt Capps. 

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    I never said it can't happen. But the buying team generally has to pay extra to make it happen early. That is why they are rare, the buyers generally aren't willing to pay the steep price. What exactly do you see the Twins giving up for Hand? He might be the top reliever on the market. If you want the Padres to forego the July bidding, you will probably have to offer up Gordon, or maybe Romero or Gonsalves plus another piece.

    I really don't think the Padres have anyone who can play SS at a replacement level right now or in the near future. That might be the case in LF, too. I wrote about this here. I think you could entice them in Escobar and/or Rosario. I don't see people showing up for Padres games next year if those two positions are as bad as they are this season. Their 21-year-old left fielder has an OPS+ of 65 in 170 PAs. 

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    I don't see the Padres taking someone that they will need to take to arbitration. They should be seeking most of the 6 years of control in any player acquired. They are too far away from being competitive. I just don't see Escobar meeting their needs and they can do better than Rosario.

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    I don't see the Padres taking someone that they will need to take to arbitration. They should be seeking most of the 6 years of control in any player acquired. They are too far away from being competitive. I just don't see Escobar meeting their needs and they can do better than Rosario.

    I would expect more in return for Rosario if I'm the Twins. That's a ton for a reliever that was released as recently as last year.

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    I would expect more in return for Rosario if I'm the Twins. That's a ton for a reliever that was released as recently as last year.

    Mild correction, but Hand was claimed off waivers fairly quickly last year, he was never released. And I'm not sure how relevant that is anymore -- his performance and peripherals have dramatically improved in a year and a half since. And it's not his fault that the Marlins never really committed him to the pen.

     

    And he's a reliever, but one who has already shown an aptitude for handling one of MLB's highest volume bullpen workloads, and at fairly high leverage.

     

    The WAR might come out similar, but I think Hand would be considered more valuable. Even with 4 years of control to Hand's 2, I think Rosario might have higher projected arb salaries which neutralizes that a bit.

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    Mild correction, but Hand was claimed off waivers fairly quickly last year, he was never released. And I'm not sure how relevant that is anymore -- his performance and peripherals have dramatically improved in a year and a half since. And it's not his fault that the Marlins never really committed him to the pen.

     

    And he's a reliever, but one who has already shown an aptitude for handling one of MLB's highest volume bullpen workloads, and at fairly high leverage.

     

    The WAR might come out similar, but I think Hand would be considered more valuable. Even with 4 years of control to Hand's 2, I think Rosario might have higher projected arb salaries which neutralizes that a bit.

    I'm one of the high guys on Rosario, but an everyday lf for a pretty good setup man seems like an overpay, especially one that was pretty mediocre 2 years ago.

     

    Even though it helps my point, I think WAR underrates relievers.

     

    And yes, waived, not released.

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    I'm one of the high guys on Rosario, but an everyday lf for a pretty good setup man seems like an overpay, especially one that was pretty mediocre 2 years ago.

    Hand was mediocre as a starter / mopup man 2 years ago. That means very little today.

     

    Rosario is an everyday LF, but with a clearly league average-ish bat. His Rbat in MLB: -5, -4, and 1 so far this season. That's not really a great asset on its own, especially not to the Padres.

     

    An aside: I do wonder if Rosario will be Super 2 this winter. He will finish with 2 years, 120 days of service time.

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    Also, Hand is #4 in relief innings this year, #3 in appearances, after having led MLB in both categories last year. With the leverage and effectiveness, it doesn't feel quite right to call that just "a pretty good setup man" as if that combination of performance and usage is fairly common. It's pretty much all-star caliber in modern MLB. With 2 more years of control, there could be more opportunities to flip him too depending on team performance. I don't think Rosario would ever be considered a top trade market candidate, based on his current performance level.

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    I think you're giving the Astros waaaaaay too much credit.  Look at what they've been padding out their record and building up their confidence with all season.  I mean, what if the Twins got to play the A's, Angels and Rangers as much as they do, I'll bet we'd look pretty studly too.

     

     

    ...the Astros aren't some invincible super team.

    As of this morning the Astros are on a pace to win 110 games. And as of this morning the other 4 teams in the AL West are a collective one game under .500 in games outside the division, indicating that the Astros are not "padding out their record" against inferior opposition. It seems obvious to me that the Astros are head and shoulders above the rest of MLB with the exception of the Dodgers.

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    As of this morning the Astros are on a pace to win 110 games. And as of this morning the other 4 teams in the AL West are a collective one game under .500 in games outside the division, indicating that the Astros are not "padding out their record" against inferior opposition. It seems obvious to me that the Astros are head and shoulders above the rest of MLB with the exception of the Dodgers.

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