Twins Trade Nolasco, Meyer, Cash To Angels For Hector Santiago

Meyer needed to come on board the Twins roster fulltime next year. And that wasn't going to happen. So assuming he would be ready come spring training, the decision still has to be made of starter or relief pitcher. At that point, he may be bypassed by a bunch of starting prospects, and definitely passed by a bunch of promising bullpen arms. So he is one of those guys who had a chance last year and this year and...blew it. He's basically being replaced by Pat Light who might have a little more time on the 40-man roster, but also could be running out of options himself. I doubt the Red Sox would've continued to 40-man him next season.

 

Santiago needs to pitch well to end the season to score bigger in arbitration. Then next year, he was to be a star if he wants a decent free agent contract, which could be a plus if the Twins wish to flip him. Of course, the Twins could always do something like offer him 3-4 years of outrageous salary and an option in the off-season to keep him around.

 

I feel bad no one blew us away on taking Santana of our hands and am disappointed if Anthony and Co. feel the Twins will really be hard-lined competitors and would rather keep his massive contract on the books that not. And looks like no one really wanted Suzuki. It was the time to grab a free agent before the waiver deadline when a lower running team could possibly grab him. And the cost wouldn't have been that much. And if the Twins refused anything for a pending free agent...they that is a black mark in the bad-Anthony category.

 

Plouffe coming back soon will be a dilemma. Polanco back to the minors? Buxton on the DL? We drop a pitcher? Can anyone actually tell me why Plouffe would be worth his last year arbitration contract next season and what the odds are that any other team would also pay that? And why the excitement of Tommy Milone as longman in the bullpen and Duffy back in the rotation. I would almost rather see Duffy as a longman to see if he can work the Rogers magic, as the Twins hopefully prep Trevor May for a look at a rotation spot next season before we really realize what we got in return for Span and Revere.

 

The Twins will need some 40-man spots. These acquisitions makes it unlikely the Twins will add anyone they don't have to add to the 40-man sooner rather than later, or even take a gander at someone like Reed or Stewart in September...or any number of other guys that will play out another season in the minors in 2017 before getting a shot later that season with the big team that IS rebuilding.

 

I like the deals, but nothing compared to other teams and doubt that they will set us afire into a competitive 2017.

If Meyers truly has a *shoulder issues* and aren't agent influenced, great deal.  Shoulder issues are the death of pitchers.

I wish Alex Meyer all the best with the Angels.  Santiago is young enough to possibly be given a 3 or 4 year deal after next year.  Do not know if the Twins will do it, but at the current time he is a 3. 

That now leaves the Twins with a hopeful 2 and 3 #3s for next year.  Not bad and with about 6 more starters coming in 2018 - 2019 Twins should not have rotation issues. 

Deal could be very good if Santiago puts it all together, or just passable if he does not.

We should revisit in 2-3 years, this is not a short term thing.

How did Santiago not end up on a contender when the market for SPs was so thin this year? He looks pretty solid. 

 

Obviously trade will depend on how Meyer pans out, but I think the Twins got enough to pull the trigger. 

Let's revisit this in 2-3 years...

That's what has been said about the original trade. I too liked Meyer. But 4 years later it was a horrible trade. Tricked by hope and dreams.

Great trade. The twins got 7 years younger, a better starting pitcher, and a prospect that is on the rise instead of slumping.

The prospect on the rise? The only thing on the rise since moved to AAA is his ERA, and that is sky rocketing at that level.

This is a nothing trade. So what. The Angels were just as tired of Santiago as the Twins were of Nolasco. Meyer has the only up side of the 4. If the point is to get better, this is not the move that will do that. But at least I don't have to watch Nolasco grab his balls a record number of times a game, so the trade is a win from that standpoint

 

 

I like the deals, but nothing compared to other teams and doubt that they will set us afire into a competitive 2017.

The moves aren't supposed to make us competitors next season.  Buxton, Sano, Kepler, and Berrios are.

 

This is a nothing trade. So what. The Angels were just as tired of Santiago as the Twins were of Nolasco. Meyer has the only up side of the 4. If the point is to get better, this is not the move that will do that. But at least I don't have to watch Nolasco grab his balls a record number of times a game, so the trade is a win from that standpoint

Nolasco and Santiago are nothing alike. Santiago has a 3.68 career ERA (4.25 this year) and Nolasco has a 4.58 career ERA (and 3 seasons of 5+ ERA). The Twins paid for that improvement with an intriguing but oft-injured and inconsistent prospect.

Nolasco and Santiago are nothing alike. Santiago has a 3.68 career ERA (4.25 this year) and Nolasco has a 4.58 career ERA (and 3 seasons of 5+ ERA). The Twins paid for that improvement with an intriguing but oft-injured and inconsistent prospect.

I know their stats, but thanks for posting them.... again. I live in LA, and what I have said about the Angels being tired of Santiago is accurate.

Rob Antony for full-time GM!!!!

 

AAAAaaaaaAAAAAAaaaaaAaaAAA.

 

No reason to get carried away here and lose your mind.

 

I know their stats, but thanks for posting them.... again. I live in LA, and what I have said about the Angels being tired of Santiago is accurate.

That would make Santiago more like Suzuki. Nolasco is by far the worst pitcher in baseball for the last 3 years. He doesn't belong on a baseball field at this point. 

 

I almost expect Santiago to completely fall apart because that tends to happen with Twins pitchers when they either come here or after signing extensions.

That would make Santiago more like Suzuki. Nolasco is by far the worst pitcher in baseball for the last 3 years. He doesn't belong on a baseball field at this point.

 

Again, I was not comparing the two, and especially not comparing a pitcher to a catcher. You are welcome to, if you like.

 

Seems I remember Nolasco going 8 innings or something and only giving up 3 hits just a couple days ago.... past is passed and most would take his most recent outing. Hey, I am no fan, but I can't ignore what I saw.

The deal is effectively Alan Busenitz for Alex Meyer.  (I really don't care about the mediocre starter swap/salary relief.)

 

Could I ever like this deal?   No way.

 

Meyer was really messed up with the Twins and maybe did not have a chance to achieve his potential.  On the other hand, my hope was that the 2017 Twins after the regime change would have broken camp with Meyer on top of their rotation, because he is the only guy in the organization with ace potential and because I have seen him pitch at that level.

 

Now if the Twins new GM goes out in the off-season and trades for an ace (like one in the top 10-20 names in this list), I might change my mind.

I liked Meyer also, and agree with your thoughts on him. Meyer still has a chance, but I didn't see it here. But I fear the Twins will never completely revamp the orginisation. One never knows about Pohlad, but he has laid out some pretty big roadblocks for an agressive GM. No new manager, and no complete tear down of the existing system. I have been wrong before, but I won't believe it happens until it does!

Did Suzuki not get traded because the Twins may want to renew his 2017 option?

 

Did Suzuki not get traded because the Twins may want to renew his 2017 option?

maybe.

 

There's an awfully good chance that Nolasco gets to exercise a player option in 2018 @ $13M. (400 IP over 2016 and 17).

Highly Unlikely.  He has been healthy all year and is only averaging about 5.5IP/game.  To hit 200 innings he would have to average 7IP/game the rest of the year.