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    Nick Nelson

    The August 1st non-waiver trade deadline is only five days away. Here's a rundown of the relevant rumors and rumblings regarding the Minnesota Twins and interim general manager Rob Antony.

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    * Since dismissing Terry Ryan as GM, Twins ownership has made some remarks that I would generously refer to as "tone deaf." Antony, for his part, seems a bit more interested in saying the right things.

    During a Q&A with MLB.com's Rhett Bollinger this week (well worth reading), Antony suggested that he will "use advanced statistics as the first tool to evaluate players before relying on the club's scouts." He also talked about the prioritization of bulking up the analytics department.

    Whether this is lip service or an actual indication of Antony's evolution on the subject remains to be seen. But at least he recognizes the problematic perceptions of the front office regime under his predecessor, and is actively trying to draw a distinction.

    * Speaking of the general manager search, the Twins announced that they are hiring search firm Korn Ferry to assist with the process. It's good news, ensuring that the they plan to conduct a comprehensive search for their next baseball ops leader.

    Most recently, Korn Ferry assisted with the GM hirings of David Stearns by the Brewers and Ross Atkins by the Blue Jays.

    Stearns, 30, became the youngest general manager in the game when Milwaukee fished him away from Houston. For three years, he had been the right-hand man to Jeff Luhnow with the Astros, helping craft one of the league's most talented young rosters. It was a bold hire.

    In the case of the Blue Jays, Atkins beat out internal candidate Tony LaCava, the other finalist who had been serving in an interim capacity following the departure of Alex Anthopoulos. Atkins came over after spending 15 years in the Indians organization. It's hard to believe this choice wasn't heavily influenced by Toronto's new president Mark Shapiro, who was very familiar with Atkins having brought him up in Cleveland's front office.

    * Switching to trade rumblings, it sounds like the Twins won't trade Ervin Santana unless they're overwhelmed by an offer. Given the uncertainties surrounding Phil Hughes (health) and Ricky Nolasco (performance), that's a logical approach, if the team does indeed have aspirations of returning to contention in 2017.

    He threw nine good innings on Tuesday night against the worst lineup in ball, but Santana just isn't the kind of arm that's going to entice someone to give up a haul.

    * As for Nolasco, based on everything I've been hearing and reading, the front office would happily ship him to any willing recipient, but interest in the veteran right-hander is undoubtedly low. Nolasco's 5.40 ERA ranks as fifth-worst among qualified MLB starters, and he has tallied more walks than strikeouts this month. Even if the Twins are throwing in a wad of cash, why bother?

    * A source from a contending team told Mike Berardino that the Twins are in "listening mode--at best" on Kyle Gibson. That's probably the right mindset. Gibson is a fairly reliable rotation piece going forward and his value is depressed right now thanks to a poor start and a shoulder injury that cost him a chunk of the season. The righty quietly has posted a 3.03 ERA over his last five starts.

    * One club that may be expressing interest in Twins pitchers is Miami. In a column for the Boston Globe, Nick Cafardo wrote that the Marlins had scouts at Fenway last week to watch Nolasco and Tommy Milone.

    Both got shelled, but regardless of how they pitched in those outings, no one was going to form any illusions about either hittable hurler.

    * Buster Olney of ESPN tweeted on Tuesday that Eduardo Nunez is among options the first-place Indians have evaluated as they seek to bolster their offense. Presumably, they would install Nunez as their regular third baseman. Francisco Lindor and Jason Kipnis are holding down the middle infield, while Juan Uribe has done little to distinguish himself at the hot corner.

    This is one worth keeping an eye on.

    * Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports wrote last week that Minnesota's trade chips drawing the most attention are Nunez, Kurt Suzuki, Fernando Abad and Brandon Kintzler.

    This list isn't surprising, but sort of encapsulates why it's hard to get too jazzed up about this deadline period. The Twins have assets that are intriguing to contenders, but we're talking about a career bench player (prior to this year), a decent-at-best catcher, and a pair of relievers on minor-league contracts.

    The only opportunity that Antony has to make a major splash would be a shocking move involving, say, Brian Dozier or one of the kids he feels is expendable. But is the interim GM really going to uproot the long-term roster foundation, not to mention the clubhouse dynamic, by taking such a gamble? Hard to envision.

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    So Francisco Mejia (top 100 Cleveland catching prospect) was the headliner in the Lucroy deal along with three other prospects who I don't believe were on any top 100 lists.  Mejia is putting together a nice season in high A, so not the short term answer if the Twins want more C help now, but is a very nice prospect. 

    I was totally just thinking the same thing. Suzuki and Kintzler or Abad for Mejia? Would that get it done? Do the Indians even need a reliever (after getting the far superior Miller)? I realize there is the whole trading withing the division thing, but don't think the Indians would care that much.

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    Looking at the wants/needs of Texas...I could see a package of Ervin Santana, Suzuki and Abad for something. Talk about a monster trade!

     

    Now if we could package someone with Nolasco to the Dodgers for their catching prospect (after they land Lucroy) and find takers for Plouffe and Milone (at least get back an A prospect). Maybe Anthony would be right for the job afterall.

     

    But why do I have the sneaking suspicion that the Twins powers-that-be are considering too much wealth and hoping for a big payback, rather than compromising on some pieces and looking at a bigger picture. Right now, every team has assets to move (that they can't keep or protect in the off-season) and, as people have said, you usually get a little sweetner with the trading deadline deals, compared to off-season antics.

     

    But it would be disappointing if the Twins don't move a catcher (who will be a free agent) a starting asset or two (as teams are getting stymied by other teams) and a bullpen arm for the future of the organization.

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    That is wild. Can't remember every hearing of that happen before.

    Lucroy wanted to nix the option for next year, which of course the Indians would not do, as part of the price they paid is that option.  Odd turn of events.

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    That is wild. Can't remember every hearing of that happen before.

     

    And here I was thinking now that Lucroy was off the market, Suzuki would be able to be moved.

     

    I suppose that Suzuki to the Indians would work.

    I think Raffy Palmeiro vetoed a trade to a contender once.

     

    Lucroy would have been better off asking for a few extra million. Because he won't get anyone to waive the option. My understanding is his no trade is limited. So I would expect he is moved to a team not on his no trade list now.

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    Darren Wolfson ‏@DWolfsonKSTP  1m1 minute ago
    Blue Jays, Marlins, and Indians all w/ scouts at Target Field today, I hear. Toronto interested in Ervin, as @jonmorosi indicated. #mntwins

     

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    The Rangers (Suzuki and relievers?), Phillies, and Angels also have scouts at today's #MNTwins game. CWS guys to watch too, I'm sure.

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    I was totally just thinking the same thing. Suzuki and Kintzler or Abad for Mejia? Would that get it done? Do the Indians even need a reliever (after getting the far superior Miller)? I realize there is the whole trading withing the division thing, but don't think the Indians would care that much.

     

    MLBTR said Cleveland had interest in an A's lefty reliever... so I'd think they might have interested in Abad.  I don't know if Cle would do it, but I'd pretty happy with Antony if he managed to add a high impact catching prospect, even if said prospect starts next year in AA.

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    Lucroy wanted to nix the option for next year, which of course the Indians would not do, as part of the price they paid is that option.  Odd turn of events.

     

    Yeah, Lucroy knows his deal is under valued, and probably part of why he gave them a friendly option was the NTC power that he got with it. He's well within his rights here, and he apparently doesn't want to go to Cleveland...

     

    Now I have to ask though, why didn't Milwaukee bother talking to him about that before hand?

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    Darren Wolfson ‏@DWolfsonKSTP  1m1 minute ago
    Blue Jays, Marlins, and Indians all w/ scouts at Target Field today, I hear. Toronto interested in Ervin, as @jonmorosi indicated. #mntwins

     

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    The Rangers (Suzuki and relievers?), Phillies, and Angels also have scouts at today's #MNTwins game. CWS guys to watch too, I'm sure.

     

    That's a lot of scouts... will have to keep an eye on TD tonight.

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    wow, just hyping up Danny Santana.  so talented, able to play so many positions well.  

     

    I threw up a little in my mouth.

     

    It's saving Molitor from himself in the form of taking bread away from a diabetic. 

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    Yeah, Lucroy knows his deal is under valued, and probably part of why he gave them a friendly option was the NTC power that he got with it. He's well within his rights here, and he apparently doesn't want to go to Cleveland...

     

    Now I have to ask though, why didn't Milwaukee bother talking to him about that before hand?

    Perhaps Milwaukee did talk to him about it earlier, and gave Cleveland a chance to come to an arrangement with him (i.e. an extension, or extra cash). But it didn't work out.

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    Strangely enough, MN is on Lucroy's NTC. I find it odd that he put a team on there that wouldn't be interested in acquiring him.

    He had to choose the list when we most certainly could have been interested in acquiring him.

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    He had to choose the list when we most certainly could have been interested in acquiring him.

    Yeah after contending last year there were lots of posts on TD about the Twins trading for him.

     

    It's probably safe to then rationalize that Lucroy is an ardent Twins Daily reader.

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    I think strategically Lucroy would list teams without a long term catcher and some possibility of contending. That would give him the best chance to leverage his no trade clause.

    Doesn't seem like he's leveraging it...just using it to pick places he doesn't like.

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    Doesn't seem like he's leveraging it...just using it to pick places he doesn't like.

    The reports were that he rejected it because he wanted Cleveland to void his 2017 option so he'd become a free agent sooner. This was driven be the fact that Cleveland wouldn't guarantee he would be the full time catcher next year when Gomes returned, Cleveland said he would play some 1B and DH, which could diminish his leverage when becoming a free agent.

     

    As much as it's fun to think he just hates Cleveland, he was simply doing what was best for his future.

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    I understand to some degree, but I don't think playing some DH/1B would diminish his worth. He's likely get more and healthier at bats this way, and as long as his catching defense held up there is nor reason he wouldn't be just as valuable, if not more.

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    I understand to some degree, but I don't think playing some DH/1B would diminish his worth. He's likely get more and healthier at bats this way, and as long as his catching defense held up there is nor reason he wouldn't be just as valuable, if not more.

    Perception is reality, if he is only getting 80 games behind the dish it's going to effect his value moving forward IMO.

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    It's saving Molitor from himself in the form of taking bread away from a diabetic. 

    Bread isn't the worst thing in the world, debatable if even bad, for diabetics    Now 2 Snickers and a liter of Jolt would be nasty for a diabetic.  That would be sweetness. Nobody would call Santana's  play sweet.

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