Twins, Rockies Talk Tulowitzki

For the sake of our projected playoff series winning percentage, they are more or less interchangeable.  Gibson does not stand out from that group to the degree you claim.

I mean "interchangeable" as in "one of those players should be removed for the other".

A playoff rotation of Gibson, Hughes, May, whatever is vastly superior to a playoff rotation of Hughes, May, whatever, whatever and I don't see how that's even debatable.

Having Pelfrey or Milone in a playoff rotation is questionable. Having both of them in a playoff rotation is begging for a quick exit.

I don't disagree it's probably a net gain (if Tulo stays on the field, I'm going to keep emphasizing this because it is a much bigger factor than anything else IMO), but if I'm going to give something to help me now, I'd rather focus on giving things that aren't helping me right now.

Yep. I don't see the point of acquiring a player who costs a lot and has reached his peak at the expense of a cheap player who appears to be reaching his peak.

I'm not against acquiring Tulo but I have my doubts... But not if it costs the Twins a valuable player who is contributing to the 2015 squad.

I don't see how people envision a Twins team that wins this October without Gibson starting the first or second game of the series.

It doesn't appear anywhere except Twins Daily.  Jeremy, could doubts about your source be holding this back from, say, MLBTR?

 

Looking back at Jeremy's article, the Rockies' "top target" is Gibson and "they've also asked for" Sano. I interpret that as meaning they would want both for Tulo.  That's a high price, but it's mostly on the Sano side, as he still has superstar upside (and still potentially at 3B).

 

I think it was mentioned upthread, but if the Twins offered Gibson for Tulo, with no Sano/Berrios/Buxton, it might be difficult for the Colorado GM to keep his composure long enough to politely end the conversation and hang up the phone.

 

The idea that the TWINS would be the ones to walk away from such a deal is crazy.

I don't know about anyone else in this thread but I was working under the assumption that Gibson straight up for Tulo wasn't even a consideration.

My assumption was Gibson + stuff for Tulo.

Brock. ...where does the mythical ace come from next year? Or the year after?

Where did I say anything about an ace?

One thing I do know is that you're not going to find a "mythical ace" or anything resembling such a thing by trading your best starting pitcher.

And how do the Twins get that "mythical ace" when they've committed $20m to Tulo and lost their best starter? Your argument is illogical.

except May isn't even in the rotation  now so why would it be Gibson, Hughes, May?

I'd be shocked if Trevor May isn't in the rotation by the end of August.

Don't you keep saying they can't win in the playoffs with this staff?

I have my doubts about this team as a whole.

But I know that making the staff considerably worse isn't going to improve their chances in October.

Tulo as your SS for the playoff series is vastly superior to Santana......

I think everyone here can agree on one thing:

Danny Santana should not be the starting SS on the Minnesota Twins. Whether he's replaced by Tulowitzki or a cardboard cutout of Deanna Troi is another argument entirely.

I didn't mean straight-up, sorry if that wasn't clear.

 

But unless Sano, Berrios, or Buxton is part of that extra "stuff", I still think the end result is the same.

I was thinking more like Gibson + Kepler but YMMV.

You think they'd turn down Gibson, but take Gibson + Kepler?  Again, I like Kepler, but it seems you're making these guys out to be WAY more of difference-makers than they actually are (Gibson alone in our playoff rotation, and Kepler alone in any trade proposal).