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    Nick Nelson

    The Twins have made it clear that they intend to keep manager Paul Molitor around for one more try after leading his team to a record 103 losses.

    His coaching staff, however, may not be so safe. Neil Allen, in particular, looks like an obvious candidate for replacement.

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    I'm generally not one to buy into the oft-exaggerated impact of pitching and hitting coaches, nor one to advocate for someone's dismissal after such a short time on his position. But the Twins took a gamble when they hired Allen two years ago, giving their rookie manager a pitching coach with no major-league experience, and it sure looks like they got it wrong.

    Each hurler is responsible for his own performance, of course, but the constant team-wide pitching struggles this year were striking. One after another, players marched to the mound with seemingly no plan. Effective adjustments were rarely seen.

    In particular, younger pitchers appeared totally unequipped for the task of retiring big-league hitters. Tyler Duffey posted the third-worst ERA ever for a Twin with 25-plus starts. Jose Berrios pitched past the fifth inning only three times in 14 tries. These guys far are more capable than their inflated numbers show, and the same can be said for too many members of Minnesota's staff.

    Kyle Gibson's WHIP would've ranked as second-worst in the majors if he qualified, after he was the best starter on the 2015 staff. Ricky Nolasco went to the Angels at the deadline and posted a 3.21 ERA over 11 starts thereafter, directly crediting his new pitching coach for his improvement. Alex Meyer, similarly, has looked vastly better since switching clubs.

    Allen came in with a reputation for expertise with teaching the changeup. No Twins pitcher has noticeably improved that pitch. He was purported to have a bulldog mentality, and spoke about the importance of throwing inside and backing hitters off the plate. His pitchers evidently didn't internalize such a mentality, because they were continually out over the plate, and allowed the second-most home runs in franchise history.

    I don't really hold Allen's suspension, stemming from a DWI charge in late May, against him. People make mistakes and he handled it the right way. It doesn't help his case that he was gone for six weeks in the middle of the season, but what's more problematic is that there was no evidence of positive influence when he was on the job.

    The tasks looming ahead of the Twins, when it comes to turning around this historically bad pitching unit, are immense. Helping Berrios find the strike zone is the highest priority. Once top prospect Stephen Gonsalves graduates he may face the same challenge. Getting Duffey and Gibson back on track is vital. When Phil Hughes and Glen Perkins return from shoulder surgery rehab, they will need significant guidance because they may be forced to reinvent themselves in order to succeed. And the bullpen is filled with projects.

    It's tough to believe that Allen is the one to take on these critical imperatives. Whatever his methods, they aren't resonating and too many pitchers are underperforming. One of the primary objectives for Derek Falvey in his first offseason at the helm will be to identify a replacement pitching coach.

    I believe he would be wise to seek someone with more experience, and a track record of helping pitchers figure it out in the big leagues. A complete roster overhaul is not realistic so the Twins need to find someone who can get more out of the existing assets. It goes without saying that the results this year were beyond unacceptable.

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    Allen probably needs  to go, but it's tough to make a silk purse out of a  sow's ear.

    When the mood strikes to rant about the poor coaching, various posters will point out all of the former Twins who performed better after leaving here, Fien, Guerra, and Nolasco would be the latest additions to the list

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    When the mood strikes to rant about the poor coaching, various posters will point out all of the former Twins who performed better after leaving here, Fien, Guerra, and Nolasco would be the latest additions to the list

    Meh, Fien hasn't been that good for the Dodgers.  Not sure which Guerra you are referencing.  Yes Nolaco has been better with the Angels. Lets see if it carries over to next year.

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    Meh, Fien hasn't been that good for the Dodgers. Not sure which Guerra you are referencing. Yes Nolaco has been better with the Angels. Lets see if it carries over to next year.

    Yep. Not sure that list makes the point. I'm glad all are elsewhere.

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    Meh, Fien hasn't been that good for the Dodgers.  Not sure which Guerra you are referencing.  Yes Nolaco has been better with the Angels. Lets see if it carries over to next year.

    He means Deolis Guerra, the supposed pitching jewel we got for Johan Santana, who now pitches for the Angels.

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    Why should Allen be the one to take the rap for the whole team.  Why keep Molly, he certainly didn't produce a winning team either. 

     

    As to Allen, everybody needs to start somewhere, he proved himself the Rays organization. 

    Worked well with the pitchers. 

     

    Why didn't the author of this article ask the players what they all think of Allen.  You can't win the race if you don't have the horses. 

     

    Give the guy a break, he had little or nothing to work with.  Did everyone forget that he did a decent job last season. 

     

    Did Allen's temporary replacement (during his suspension) do much better?  That alone should prove that he alone did not cause the downfall of the team.

     

     

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    Call me crazy but losing 103 games screams out for a fresh start to me.

     

    ^^^^^ This.

     

    Baseball people at any level of this organization should have to prove that they are not part of the problem to retain their jobs.

     

    Period.

     

    This includes their pitching coach of course, and I am not sure what his defense would be other than maybe a version of "I cannot recall" or paraphrasing certain Dead Kennedys' lyrics...

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    Brian Duensing just pitched in a late/close situation in a postseason game.

     

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    "Oh, my Holy God..."

     

    Unless the Twins' minor league system has been vastly overrated the past few years, it would seem that there's been an ongoing failure to turn talented minor league players into productive major league players, especially the pitchers.

     

    The development side deserves some blame, because while Twins prospects have generally not been rushed, they often appear rougher around the edges with respect to fundamentals than rookies should. That said, it's hard to see how the Twins could put together such a terrible season without there being serious problems with the way the staff prepares and utilizes its young players, as well as veterans like Duensing too.

     

    I admire Molitor the player and person, I like his staff, and I don't think they were incompetent. But I don't know how a franchise that has under-performed so badly for so long can bring in a new guy from outside to run baseball operations, and then give him an eraser instead of a clean whiteboard to draw up 2017 and beyond.

     

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    When the mood strikes to rant about the poor coaching, various posters will point out all of the former Twins who performed better after leaving here, Fien, Guerra, and Nolasco would be the latest additions to the list

     

    The Minnesota Twins have not produced a single season with a positive run differential since their inaugural one in Target Field, despite having greater revenue there than at any other time since their inception. They just set the franchise record for losses in a season, accruing nine more than the next-worst team in the majors.

     

    Calling criticism of their failures a "rant" is like calling a raised hand at a city council meeting an "outburst".

     

     

     

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    Ok, so being a bench coach in Major League Baseball must be something like Disney World for adults. It's basically just fun and games for six months, and if your team wins, you get to come back and do it again next year. There is no natural right to remain a coach on a team that just finished in last place again.

     

    Maybe coaches don't have much effect on the players, but that doesn't mean I want Neil Allen warning our pitchers against falling behind 1-0 in the count, or Brunansky standing next to Molitor in the dugout barking at Buxton between pitches of his at bat. It's true that you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear and that Neil Allen probably isn't the source of our pitching problems, but still.

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    The Minnesota Twins have not produced a single season with a positive run differential since their inaugural one in Target Field, despite having greater revenue there than at any other time since their inception. They just set the franchise record for losses in a season, accruing nine more than the next-worst team in the majors.

     

    Calling criticism of their failures a "rant" is like calling a raised hand at a city council meeting an "outburst".

    That is an unique way to respond to the alleged problem of players being better away from the Twins' coaching. They have had more revenue. The record this year or any other year has absolutely nothing to do with players being allegedly better away from here. Is Brian Duensing now a better post season pitcher because he is in Baltimore rather than the Twins?

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    The record this year or any other year has absolutely nothing to do with players being allegedly better away from here.

    HUH?

     

    It's your contention that players playing better with other coaching has nothing to do with the possibility that there's an issue with Twins coaching?

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