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    Seth Stohs

    Happy MLB Draft Day 1, Twins fans!

    Since it became clear that the Minnesota Twins had the #1 overall pick in the 2017 draft, which happened fairly early last September, the fandom has been very excited about who the Twins might be able to add at the top of the draft. That day has come.

    This purpose of this article is to be a place for several draft-related resources and links, and a place for fans to keep updated of rumors and rumblings throughout the day. We ask that if you see an article online or a tweet with a rumor or nugget, that you post it in the comments below.

    At 6:00 central time, the draft will officially start. Moments later, the Twins will make their much-anticipated draft selection. But that won’t be it for the night. The Twins also have the 35th and 37th overall picks as well. Twins Daily will post articles about those draft picks moments after they are made.

    Note also that we will have Day 2 and Day 3 articles. In those articles, we will post the Twins picks made those days. Those articles will be updated throughout those two days. Rounds 3 through 10 are on Tuesday, and Rounds 11 through 40 will take place on Wednesday.

    Image courtesy of University of Louisville Athletics (photos of Brendan McKay)

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    As you know, there will be a lot of rumors even throughout the day. It’s obviously a moving target. The reality is that there are likely a handful of people who know who the Twins will take at 1.1. At some point on Monday, they’ll have their decision.

    It will be based on a number of factors. First and foremost, it will be based on talent. The Twins will acquire a player with the first overall pick who has the potential and ability to be an all-star caliber player. That doesn’t always happen, of course, but the player will have the tools and such to become that.

    The Twins have likely seen each of the players in consideration for the top pick dozens upon dozens of times. The scouts, cross-checkers, and front office types are fully aware of what those players are as a player and as a person. They’ve had conversations with those players, their families, friends, teammates, coaches and others. For the college players, it’s likely they’ve been watching them for four to six years.

    The trick of course is looking at the player and all of the information on him and trying to project what that player will be in five to ten years. That is the part that isn’t a science, at least not yet.

    But science and technology has become more a part of the process. Many of the college programs have Trackman systems installed. Even some high schools are starting to get those. There is so much more information available.

    But the teams are also trying to figure out who can stay healthy. Drafting a pitcher comes with a bigger injury risk than drafting a hitter for obvious reasons.

    And, of course, dollars also come into play. It’s a strategy that has been used since the slotting system has been in the MLB draft. Most famously, the Astros were able to convince SS Carlos Correa to take millions less than the slot value for the #1 pick in 2012, and because of it, they were able to take RHP Lance McCullers and IF Rio Ruiz with their next two picks. As Jeremy has pointed out, the new draft slotting instituted this year makes it a bit more difficult to manipulate the draft, and since there are a handful of teams that have a second selection before the Twins, it could be difficult.

    THE NAMES

    At this stage, we pretty well know the names of the players the Twins are considering with the top pick.

    Louisville 1B/LHP Brendan McKay.

    Vanderbilt RHP Kyle Wright.

    Notre Dame HS (Sherman Oaks, CA) SS/RHP Hunter Greene.

    In my opinion, all three of these guys are "safe" picks, but for different reasons. McKay legitimately has two paths to big league success. He can be a top-of-rotation starting pitcher, or he could be a middle-of-the-lineup bat. Could he possibly be both? Kyle Wright, in my opinion, is the safest pick for starting pitchers because of his stuff and his size and his makeup and more. How is Hunter Greene a safe pick? Well, he's the guy that everyone seems to believe is the best prospect. If the Twins took him and he didn't make it, most in the industry would say that the Twins were still right in shooting for the moon with such an elite talent.

    The bold pick, in my opinion, would be taking MacKenzie Gore. Many believe he is the best prep pitcher, with a mid-90s fastball and good secondary pitches.

    Most believe that those three are the guys most in consideration for the Twins first pick. However, if guys like MacKenzie Gore or Royce Lewis are willing to accept less money, they could still fit into the equation. While those two have not been talked about as much as the three listed above, they are both very talented. They are also both Scott Boras guys. Normally that might mean they’re guys to stay away from. However, Boras wants to maximize what his clients can get, so if they can make a little more than what they believe they will get by falling in the draft, maybe something could be worked out.

    MOST RECENT PERFORMANCES

    With both Louisville and Vanderbilt playing in Super Regionals, they pitched on Saturday. Here are their final lines:

    Brendan McKay (vs Kentucky): 6 IP, 8 hits, 2 earned runs, 0 walks, 9 strikeouts. Fastball was 89-94, with impressive curveball, slider, and cutter too.

    Kyle Wright (vs Oregon State): 6.2 IP, 8 hits, 7 earned runs, 3 walks, 8 strikeouts. Fastball was 90-95, with an impressive curveball and changeup. He mixes those pitches well also.

    Hunter Greene hasn’t played lately (and hasn't pitched for a month or more), but he did come to Target Field on Friday for a workout. As you would expect, he was quite impressive. He is clearly the guy who would show up highest on prospect rankings because of the fastball and his athleticism and makeup.

    https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/873296225642176513

    While the Twins had people at all of those performances, it’s important to remember that each performance is just one data point on a chart that likely has 100s of dots on it. In other words, just because Wright’s line looked bad (and was bad), it isn’t likely to sway the Twins brass either way.

    TWINS DAILY DRAFT CONTENT

    Draft Profiles: MacKenzie Gore, Hunter Greene, Royce Lewis, Brendan McKay, Pavin Smith, Kyle Wright, and potential Minnesotans in the Draft.

    Jeremy provided a Draft Preview in which he discussed the slot values of each pick and overall. He wrote about the possibility of the Twins taking advantage of the slotting system to acquire more high-end talent.

    Seth caught up with ESPN’s Keith Law about the names at the top of the first round. Cody wondered if not drafting Hunter Greene could come back to haunt them. Nick wrote why Kyle Wright might be The Wright Fit for the Twins, considering his timeline.

    TWINS DAILY PREDICTIONS

    Here are some quick thoughts from Twins Daily writers:

    Seth Stohs:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings (as prospects): 1.) Hunter Greene, 2.) Kyle Wright, 3.) MacKenzie Gore, 4.) Royce Lewis, 5.) Brendan McKay

    Who Would You Take? Probably Kyle Wright.

    Who Do You Think The Twins Will Take? Brendan McKay

    I'd love to see the Twins get creative and find a way to save seven figures on their #1 pick. Hunter Greene is the most intriguing. Kyle Wright is probably the safest pitcher to pick. I'd be very curious to see if Derek Falvey would truly let McKay hit and pitch on his way up the ladder to really possibly be a big league two-way player. If he can do that, I'm all on board. I also really, really like Gore and Lewis and if the Twins can convince Boras to cut back a couple million from slot, I'd have no problem with them either.

    Nick Nelson:

    What is the definition of a "safe pick"? On the one hand, you could easily apply that description to someone like Kyle Wright or Brendan McKay – collegiate superstars and prototypical top-of-draft talents. On the other hand, isn't Hunter Greene the safest pick when you really think about it? He ranks first on almost every analyst's board. He's a media sensation and will generate tremendous buzz for the franchise. If he fizzles out, the Twins aren't going to look silly; they made the choice most people in the industry viewed as obvious. But that will be of little consolation if his development stalls exactly as they foresaw in their evaluations.

    I guess at the end of the day, there really is no safe pick.

    My Top Five:

    1. Hunter Greene

    2. Kyle Wright

    3. MacKenzie Gore

    4. Brendan McKay

    5. Royce Lewis

    Cody Christie:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings: 1.) Hunter Greene, 2.) Royce Lewis, 3.) Kyle Wright, 4.) MacKenzie Gore, 5.) Brendan McKay

    Who Would You Take? Hunter Greene

    Who Do You Think The Twins Will Take? Kyle Wright

    I’ve always put a higher value on younger players with a ton of potential. That was one of the reasons I had Miguel Sano number one on my prospect list while he was still playing in the rookie leagues. Greene has impressed me every step of the way. The more I hear about him, the more I want him to be part of the Twins organization. Lewis is also a raw talent that the Twins could develop over the next decade. He could be a mainstay in their line-up for years to come. Wright is the safest and I think that’s the direction the club will go.

    Tom Froemming:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings (as prospects): 1) Hunter Greene, 2) MacKenzie Gore, 3) Kyle Wright, 4) Brendan McKay, 5) Royce Lewis

    Who Would You Take? Greene

    Who Do You Think Will The Twins Take? Greene

    Have you seen a single big board that didn’t have Hunter Greene on top? I’ve heard all the rumors saying the Twins are going another direction, but I’m not buying it. Greene is the best athlete and has the highest ceiling. Sure, that comes with a scary floor/bust potential, but the opportunity to acquire a talent like this isn’t going to come around every year. On the other hand, I look at those top five names and don’t see a single bad pick. I’ll understand if the Twins pass on Greene, especially if that means they net more talent with the 35th and 37th picks.

    NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE

    Here are some of the most recent draft player rankings and some mock drafts.

    DOLLARS AND SENSE

    Here the slot values for the Twins picks in the top ten rounds.

    1st overall (Round 1): $7,770,700

    35th overall (Comp Round A): $1,935,300

    37th overall (Round 2): $1,846,100

    76th overall (Round 3): $755,500

    106th overall (Round 4): $507,000

    136th overall (Round 5): $378,700

    166th overall (Round 6): $283,300

    196th overall (Round 7): $220,700

    226th overall (Round 8): $174,400

    256th overall (Round 9): $148,000

    286th overall (Round 10): $137,100

    ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE

    Until the Twins officially make their announcement, it’s hard to know with complete certainty what the Twins will do. Consider six weeks ago, everyone assumed that Hunter Greene was the easy choice at #1. Starting about a month ago, people believed that Kyle Wright was the top choice. Then suddenly on Friday, about 12 hours after writing that Wright would go #1, mlb.com’s Jim Callis posted a new mock draft in which he said the Twins were planning to take McKay with the top pick.

    That’s why this Day 1 thread is here. We want the comments to be filled with everything that’s out there as things are subject to change even throughout the day.

    Again, moments after the Twins make their first pick, we’ll have an article, and we can discuss the player that the Twins take (and presumably many will write about the players the Twins did not take) with the first overall pick.

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    Huh? Aiken needed TJS but neither Allard or Garrett has, right? Allard has had back surgery (two) tho.

     Garrett needs it now, happened in the last week.

     

    But indeed Allard is healthy and doing quite well.

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    DA

    3:27 Any chance Minnesota goes Lewis #1 and uses extra money on Shane Baz at #35?

    Keith Law

    3:28 I don't think so.

    Can someone please explain to me how the Twins would have a chance to sign Baz at #35?

    Why wouldn't he sign with the team that drafted him at, say 10-15 or so?

    I realize he says he going to college, but I don't get how he'd be around at #35?

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    Names for if the Twins take Lewis tonight:

     

    Danny
    3:48 Sorry if you've answered his before, but who are the players in mind that teams cutting a deal want to fall in the supplemental 1st or 2nd round?
    Keith Law
    3:49 Prep arms, largely. Carlson, Enlow, Jennings, Baz (in theory, doubt it happens), Crouse, Heatherly, etc.

     

     

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    I would take the player with the highest upside. I don't know who that would be but the only way the mid market Twins acquire a superstar is the draft them or sign them internationally. They shouldn't go with the safe pick. Is there consensus on the player with the best upside?

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    Can someone please explain to me how the Twins would have a chance to sign Baz at #35?
    Why wouldn't he sign with the team that drafted him at, say 10-15 or so?
    I realize he says he going to college, but I don't get how he'd be around at #35?

     

    If they save a bunch of money at #1 (lets say, $1.5MIL, or about how much it goes down to for the #4 pick), if you add what you've banked onto the slot for #35 you have as much money as the slot for pick #15.

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    Last three are all casualties to Tommy John already in their careers.

    Aiken, Allard, Garrett.  

     

    Allard was a stress reaction in his lower back not Tommy John.  The 19 year old is now in AA and putting together a damn good season for his age and competition.

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    Main reason I'd be bummed about not taking Greene. 102 mph heater, athletic, plus this:

     

    Mo
    3:54 Not a question, but as an African-American and lifelong baseball fan, Hunter Greene might already be my new favorite player
    Keith Law
    3:54 I was extremely impressed when I sat down with him. His answers weren't canned or hackneyed; he's intelligent and his answers were really thoughtful.

     

     

    #MoldHim

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    Greene probably has the highest upside and the biggest bust factor.  College arms are more predictable, but there are no guarantees.  That is the issue with this draft. I also do not get to see the spin factors and other things the Twins look at.  That is a piece of Information that seems to mean at lot to our FO.

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    DA
    3:27 Any chance Minnesota goes Lewis #1 and uses extra money on Shane Baz at #35?
    Keith Law
    3:28 I don't think so.

     

    With all of the question marks regarding the injury potential surrounding prospect pitchers nowadays, I'm starting to think more and more that the top position player (Royce Lewis) might be a better option, then draft a higher quantity of high-ceiling pitchers later.  Is there really such a thing as a high-floor pitcher anymore?

     

    That being said, I've realized as I'm typing this that our last top pick (Alex Kirilloff) was a position player and still needed TJ surgery.  Ditto for our best current position player (Sano). Maybe they'd be best off setting aside some draft money to buy a horseshoe from Always Dreaming or a vault of rabbit's feet.  On a related note, they should offer one of the players a draft bonus of $777,777.  I see the #1 spot is slotted at $7,770,700.  Just throw in an extra $7,077!

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    I understand that, Steve. But wouldn't the team that drafted him at 15 own his rights, and say sign with us for xxx or go to college?

     

    There is that risk, but it comes down to the Twins having the biggest pool to play with.

     

    As soon as I have my $$$ amount agreed at #1 I'm calling the guy I want to fall and telling him I will pay you $XXX amount at #35. That means every talk they have with another team has to meet that number from there on out.

     

    Lets say the Twins offer them $4MIL at #35. That's pick #12 money. In this case that team is the Pirates. They have just over $10MIL.  If that player starts falling into the 15-20 range, then we're talking teams with a pool of only $8MIL or less. 

     

    You think those teams are gonna pony up that price and blow half their budget in round 1? Remember, they LOSE that pool money if they don't sign the player.

     

     

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    The average fastball in the MLB is 94 MPH. Considering the Twins have been behind the 8 ball for years using power pitchers, I'm very disappointed they're targeting another 88-91 MPH pitcher. 

    He was hitting 94/95 in the game against Kentucky, and he looked good.  Wouldn't feel bad about that pick.

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    Please, not Lewis.  Want pitching, more pitching, and even more pitching.

    But we can't think like that, think of teams that passed on Trout because they needed pitching (we sure did) or the Astros passing on Bryant for Appel because they needed pitchers. There is much regret in baseball from teams drafting for need

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    But we can't think like that, think of teams that passed on Trout because they needed pitching (we sure did) or the Astros passing on Bryant for Appel because they needed pitchers. There is much regret in baseball from teams drafting for need

     

    Just to play Devil's Advocate (because I agree with taking the best player available if it is discernible):

     

    Mike Trout has played in one playoff series in his career, largely due to the fact that the Angels have had awful pitching for about a decade. So even the best player in baseball can't save a team without good arms.

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    He was also a "can't miss" prospect

    Yeah, there really is no such thing. Every pitcher has a non-zero chance that his elbow/shoulder will fall apart. Every single one. It comes with being a pitcher. I think teams are getting better at identifying and preventing injuries, but it certainly isn't perfect yet.

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    Just to play Devil's Advocate (because I agree with taking the best player available if it is discernible):

     

    Mike Trout has played in one playoff series in his career, largely due to the fact that the Angels have had awful pitching for about a decade. So even the best player in baseball can't save a team without good arms.

    To play Devil's advocate to your devil's advocate, are you saying that you would rather have Gibson opposed to Trout? Or Appel over Bryant?

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    LENIII just tweeted that the "Lewis steam is real" and that McKay and Greene are "also in the picture." Says it's coming down to money.

     

    Maybe this is all smoke screen to get Greene to drop his price a bit?  Could be selling that it is worth dropping your price a bit to be a historical first pick?

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