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    Seth Stohs

    Happy MLB Draft Day 1, Twins fans!

    Since it became clear that the Minnesota Twins had the #1 overall pick in the 2017 draft, which happened fairly early last September, the fandom has been very excited about who the Twins might be able to add at the top of the draft. That day has come.

    This purpose of this article is to be a place for several draft-related resources and links, and a place for fans to keep updated of rumors and rumblings throughout the day. We ask that if you see an article online or a tweet with a rumor or nugget, that you post it in the comments below.

    At 6:00 central time, the draft will officially start. Moments later, the Twins will make their much-anticipated draft selection. But that won’t be it for the night. The Twins also have the 35th and 37th overall picks as well. Twins Daily will post articles about those draft picks moments after they are made.

    Note also that we will have Day 2 and Day 3 articles. In those articles, we will post the Twins picks made those days. Those articles will be updated throughout those two days. Rounds 3 through 10 are on Tuesday, and Rounds 11 through 40 will take place on Wednesday.

    Image courtesy of University of Louisville Athletics (photos of Brendan McKay)

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    As you know, there will be a lot of rumors even throughout the day. It’s obviously a moving target. The reality is that there are likely a handful of people who know who the Twins will take at 1.1. At some point on Monday, they’ll have their decision.

    It will be based on a number of factors. First and foremost, it will be based on talent. The Twins will acquire a player with the first overall pick who has the potential and ability to be an all-star caliber player. That doesn’t always happen, of course, but the player will have the tools and such to become that.

    The Twins have likely seen each of the players in consideration for the top pick dozens upon dozens of times. The scouts, cross-checkers, and front office types are fully aware of what those players are as a player and as a person. They’ve had conversations with those players, their families, friends, teammates, coaches and others. For the college players, it’s likely they’ve been watching them for four to six years.

    The trick of course is looking at the player and all of the information on him and trying to project what that player will be in five to ten years. That is the part that isn’t a science, at least not yet.

    But science and technology has become more a part of the process. Many of the college programs have Trackman systems installed. Even some high schools are starting to get those. There is so much more information available.

    But the teams are also trying to figure out who can stay healthy. Drafting a pitcher comes with a bigger injury risk than drafting a hitter for obvious reasons.

    And, of course, dollars also come into play. It’s a strategy that has been used since the slotting system has been in the MLB draft. Most famously, the Astros were able to convince SS Carlos Correa to take millions less than the slot value for the #1 pick in 2012, and because of it, they were able to take RHP Lance McCullers and IF Rio Ruiz with their next two picks. As Jeremy has pointed out, the new draft slotting instituted this year makes it a bit more difficult to manipulate the draft, and since there are a handful of teams that have a second selection before the Twins, it could be difficult.

    THE NAMES

    At this stage, we pretty well know the names of the players the Twins are considering with the top pick.

    Louisville 1B/LHP Brendan McKay.

    Vanderbilt RHP Kyle Wright.

    Notre Dame HS (Sherman Oaks, CA) SS/RHP Hunter Greene.

    In my opinion, all three of these guys are "safe" picks, but for different reasons. McKay legitimately has two paths to big league success. He can be a top-of-rotation starting pitcher, or he could be a middle-of-the-lineup bat. Could he possibly be both? Kyle Wright, in my opinion, is the safest pick for starting pitchers because of his stuff and his size and his makeup and more. How is Hunter Greene a safe pick? Well, he's the guy that everyone seems to believe is the best prospect. If the Twins took him and he didn't make it, most in the industry would say that the Twins were still right in shooting for the moon with such an elite talent.

    The bold pick, in my opinion, would be taking MacKenzie Gore. Many believe he is the best prep pitcher, with a mid-90s fastball and good secondary pitches.

    Most believe that those three are the guys most in consideration for the Twins first pick. However, if guys like MacKenzie Gore or Royce Lewis are willing to accept less money, they could still fit into the equation. While those two have not been talked about as much as the three listed above, they are both very talented. They are also both Scott Boras guys. Normally that might mean they’re guys to stay away from. However, Boras wants to maximize what his clients can get, so if they can make a little more than what they believe they will get by falling in the draft, maybe something could be worked out.

    MOST RECENT PERFORMANCES

    With both Louisville and Vanderbilt playing in Super Regionals, they pitched on Saturday. Here are their final lines:

    Brendan McKay (vs Kentucky): 6 IP, 8 hits, 2 earned runs, 0 walks, 9 strikeouts. Fastball was 89-94, with impressive curveball, slider, and cutter too.

    Kyle Wright (vs Oregon State): 6.2 IP, 8 hits, 7 earned runs, 3 walks, 8 strikeouts. Fastball was 90-95, with an impressive curveball and changeup. He mixes those pitches well also.

    Hunter Greene hasn’t played lately (and hasn't pitched for a month or more), but he did come to Target Field on Friday for a workout. As you would expect, he was quite impressive. He is clearly the guy who would show up highest on prospect rankings because of the fastball and his athleticism and makeup.

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    While the Twins had people at all of those performances, it’s important to remember that each performance is just one data point on a chart that likely has 100s of dots on it. In other words, just because Wright’s line looked bad (and was bad), it isn’t likely to sway the Twins brass either way.

    TWINS DAILY DRAFT CONTENT

    Draft Profiles: MacKenzie Gore, Hunter Greene, Royce Lewis, Brendan McKay, Pavin Smith, Kyle Wright, and potential Minnesotans in the Draft.

    Jeremy provided a Draft Preview in which he discussed the slot values of each pick and overall. He wrote about the possibility of the Twins taking advantage of the slotting system to acquire more high-end talent.

    Seth caught up with ESPN’s Keith Law about the names at the top of the first round. Cody wondered if not drafting Hunter Greene could come back to haunt them. Nick wrote why Kyle Wright might be The Wright Fit for the Twins, considering his timeline.

    TWINS DAILY PREDICTIONS

    Here are some quick thoughts from Twins Daily writers:

    Seth Stohs:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings (as prospects): 1.) Hunter Greene, 2.) Kyle Wright, 3.) MacKenzie Gore, 4.) Royce Lewis, 5.) Brendan McKay

    Who Would You Take? Probably Kyle Wright.

    Who Do You Think The Twins Will Take? Brendan McKay

    I'd love to see the Twins get creative and find a way to save seven figures on their #1 pick. Hunter Greene is the most intriguing. Kyle Wright is probably the safest pitcher to pick. I'd be very curious to see if Derek Falvey would truly let McKay hit and pitch on his way up the ladder to really possibly be a big league two-way player. If he can do that, I'm all on board. I also really, really like Gore and Lewis and if the Twins can convince Boras to cut back a couple million from slot, I'd have no problem with them either.

    Nick Nelson:

    What is the definition of a "safe pick"? On the one hand, you could easily apply that description to someone like Kyle Wright or Brendan McKay – collegiate superstars and prototypical top-of-draft talents. On the other hand, isn't Hunter Greene the safest pick when you really think about it? He ranks first on almost every analyst's board. He's a media sensation and will generate tremendous buzz for the franchise. If he fizzles out, the Twins aren't going to look silly; they made the choice most people in the industry viewed as obvious. But that will be of little consolation if his development stalls exactly as they foresaw in their evaluations.

    I guess at the end of the day, there really is no safe pick.

    My Top Five:

    1. Hunter Greene

    2. Kyle Wright

    3. MacKenzie Gore

    4. Brendan McKay

    5. Royce Lewis

    Cody Christie:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings: 1.) Hunter Greene, 2.) Royce Lewis, 3.) Kyle Wright, 4.) MacKenzie Gore, 5.) Brendan McKay

    Who Would You Take? Hunter Greene

    Who Do You Think The Twins Will Take? Kyle Wright

    I’ve always put a higher value on younger players with a ton of potential. That was one of the reasons I had Miguel Sano number one on my prospect list while he was still playing in the rookie leagues. Greene has impressed me every step of the way. The more I hear about him, the more I want him to be part of the Twins organization. Lewis is also a raw talent that the Twins could develop over the next decade. He could be a mainstay in their line-up for years to come. Wright is the safest and I think that’s the direction the club will go.

    Tom Froemming:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings (as prospects): 1) Hunter Greene, 2) MacKenzie Gore, 3) Kyle Wright, 4) Brendan McKay, 5) Royce Lewis

    Who Would You Take? Greene

    Who Do You Think Will The Twins Take? Greene

    Have you seen a single big board that didn’t have Hunter Greene on top? I’ve heard all the rumors saying the Twins are going another direction, but I’m not buying it. Greene is the best athlete and has the highest ceiling. Sure, that comes with a scary floor/bust potential, but the opportunity to acquire a talent like this isn’t going to come around every year. On the other hand, I look at those top five names and don’t see a single bad pick. I’ll understand if the Twins pass on Greene, especially if that means they net more talent with the 35th and 37th picks.

    NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE

    Here are some of the most recent draft player rankings and some mock drafts.

    DOLLARS AND SENSE

    Here the slot values for the Twins picks in the top ten rounds.

    1st overall (Round 1): $7,770,700

    35th overall (Comp Round A): $1,935,300

    37th overall (Round 2): $1,846,100

    76th overall (Round 3): $755,500

    106th overall (Round 4): $507,000

    136th overall (Round 5): $378,700

    166th overall (Round 6): $283,300

    196th overall (Round 7): $220,700

    226th overall (Round 8): $174,400

    256th overall (Round 9): $148,000

    286th overall (Round 10): $137,100

    ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE

    Until the Twins officially make their announcement, it’s hard to know with complete certainty what the Twins will do. Consider six weeks ago, everyone assumed that Hunter Greene was the easy choice at #1. Starting about a month ago, people believed that Kyle Wright was the top choice. Then suddenly on Friday, about 12 hours after writing that Wright would go #1, mlb.com’s Jim Callis posted a new mock draft in which he said the Twins were planning to take McKay with the top pick.

    That’s why this Day 1 thread is here. We want the comments to be filled with everything that’s out there as things are subject to change even throughout the day.

    Again, moments after the Twins make their first pick, we’ll have an article, and we can discuss the player that the Twins take (and presumably many will write about the players the Twins did not take) with the first overall pick.

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    How many college guys in the top 15 or so picks didn't have big fastballs? 

    More than you might think. I'm defining 'big fastball' as 'sits 95+, touches 98+', with a touch less for lefties. So I don't consider Wright as having a big fastball either. But over the past 10 years, it is a pretty easy way (at least with my fuzzy, potentially self-selecting memory of past scouting reports) to put Rodon, Hoffman, Appel, Gray, Gausman, Cole, Harvey, Strasburg and Price in one group, and Tate, Jay, Fulmer, Nola, Freeland, Zimmer, Heaney, Hultzen, Bauer, Pomeranz, Minor, Leake, and Matusz in another.

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    Gordon. 

     

    If they draft a guy that isn't better than him, sigh. But, others have said on other threads that those two might be behind Gordon, hence my question.

    I like Gordon alot and have seen him play since his Sophomore year in high school, I've always loved the strong hit tool, quick wrists, fast feet and still growing power as well as staying in the middle infield.  But Lewis' total package eclipses him even if he has to switch off to 3B.  And McKay has to be 1st overall if the organization thinks he's an "ace" or middle of lineup hitter.

     

    I'll never forget at a Perfect Game event in Ft Myers, Nick Gordon was playing and his brother Dee and father Tom were in the stands watching, I got to talk to them both as I was a huge Flash fan back in day and love Dee's wheels.  When I told Dee I was big fan of his game play, and he said if you think I'm good you should see my brother. He's going to be better than me.  Tom just stood there shaking his head agreeign.

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    I generally agree that lefties can get away with slightly less mph than a righty. Though I'm a big believer in velocity being a key indicator of a pitcher's success. There's a new article on Fangraphs "In Game Velocity Changes - When Fatigue Attacks" that discusses the fine line of velocity and a pitcher's success. 

    Matt Harvey for example was very very good when he sat at 96 and 2 plus secondary pitches. Now he looks like a shell of his former self now that he's sitting at 92. Arietta this season is seeing a drop in velocity, and as a result, struggling with a 4.68 ERA. 

    If McKay is sitting at ~90 right now, and he loses any sort of velocity along the way, I fear the Twins drafted Tommy Milone. 

    The 2 AL leaders in ERA are lefties who rarely throw above 90. The best postseason pitcher of this era throws 90-92. 

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    I like Gordon alot and have seen him play since his Sophomore year in high school, I've always loved the strong hit tool, quick wrists, fast feet and still growing power as well as staying in the middle infield.  But Lewis' total package eclipses him even if he has to switch off to 3B.  And McKay has to be 1st overall if the organization thinks he's an "ace" or middle of lineup hitter.

     

    I'll never forget at a Perfect Game event in Ft Myers, Nick Gordon was playing and his brother Dee and father Tom were in the stands watching, I got to talk to them both as I was a huge Flash fan back in day and love Dee's wheels.  When I told Dee I was big fan of his game play, and he said if you think I'm good you should see my brother. He's going to be better than me.  Tom just stood there shaking his head agreeign.

    Where do you think Gordon would get drafted today if he was a college junior and, let's say, the third best hitter in the SEC?

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    3:13 Thanks for the chat Keith! What are your thoughts on the recent rumors that the Twins might be trying to cut a deal with Royce Lewis at 1-1 and, if they do, who might they be considering at 35?

    Keith Law

    3:14 That's been rumored for a few weeks, but I don't see why Lewis would take an underslot deal at 1. He's going 4 or 5 at worst, so why would he sign for less than McKay, who's also going 4 or 5 if he doesn't go 1, and has less leverage than Lewis does? I could be way off but I wonder if there's some posturing here to negotiate McKay (or someone else) down.

     

     

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    Where do you think Gordon would get drafted today if he was a college junior and, let's say, the third best hitter in the SEC?

     

    And a legit SS? I would guess #1.

     

    I don't think it would be a disaster if the 1-1 pick ends up as the Twins #2. That would say a lot about Gordon and the relative weakness of this draft.

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    The 2 AL leaders in ERA are lefties who rarely throw above 90. The best postseason pitcher of this era throws 90-92. 

     

    The 2 NL leaders in ERA throw 93 and 94... We may just have to agree to disagree about our opinions on velocity. 

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    Where do you think Gordon would get drafted today if he was a college junior and, let's say, the third best hitter in the SEC?

    He'd be in the talks for 1:1, this draft is not very deep at all, most the talent is Top 20-30 prospects after that it starts to get murky.  Also this is one of the worst years for middle infield whether prep or college.

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    Justin

    3:21 To a draft newbie, if the consensus top talent by all accounts is Greene, why would the Twins not take him first? Higher probability of flameout as a high schooler than a college player?

    Keith Law

    3:21 He's not the consensus by all accounts. He's #1 on some boards, not all, maybe not even a majority.

     

     

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    Intramural Legend

    3:21 Is McKay being underrated at this point? Statistically (pitching specific), he was much better than Wright

    Keith Law

    3:22 Wright was better in the second half; he improved while McKay seemed to tire (unsurprisingly). And durability is a factor teams will consider.

     

     

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    3:24 Is McKay at #1 a mistake?

    Keith Law

    3:25 No. I think taking Lewis over him, Wright, or Greene might be a mistake ... but I can't even say "would be" because who the heck knows? I can't even get consensus on what kind of hitting prospect Lewis is from scouts and execs I've asked.

     

     

    DA

    3:27 Any chance Minnesota goes Lewis #1 and uses extra money on Shane Baz at #35?

    Keith Law

    3:28 I don't think so.

     

     

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    Man, it kind of stinks to see that this isn't a very good draft class after we tanked all of last year to earn this pick. I kind of wish there was a clear cut #1 guy we could take and not have any debate, but that wouldn't be much fun, would it?
     

    I know little to nothing about the MLB draft (I'm actually a huge NFL draftnik though), but I'll give my input. Wright's my #1 guy because I'd rather draft a college guy and have him up in the majors faster, but that's just because I want immediate gratification    :) . Greene and Gore are #2 and #3 because of their upside, but they have some risks. Lewis is my #4 as he's OK but not really 1st overall material. McKay is pretty low as I wouldn't want to draft a guy who tops out at 91mph 1st overall. I know there's precedent for guys to pitch well at that speed, but an injury or two and then he's at the speed level of Tommy Milone. We didn't lose 103 games to draft a pitch to contact guy first overall! Maybe Greene and McKay can be batters, but I want a starting pitcher with that pick. That's all. 

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    3:31 Kind of funny Twins rumors went from Greene early, to McKaey, then to Wright, then to maybe McKay and now Lewis. Wild.

    Keith Law

    3:32 Eh, I don't think there were rumors of the Twins with Greene. It's been mostly McKay/Wright for the last month.

     

     

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    All things being equal, I think I'd prefer Lewis over McKay.

     

    If it is Lewis though, it won't be equal; if it's so they can get Baz at 35 I'd be OK with the pick. Baz would be my fourth choice for pitcher after Greene, Gore and Wright. Watching the top prep bat and the 3rd best prep arm develop would hold my interest for quite awhile.

     

    And then Rooker at 37. And stick him at DH in September.

    If they somehow pulled that off I would run to Minneapolis for the next home game.

     

    I live in Denver.

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    Ugh. Disappointing that Greene wasn't even on the Twins' radar anymore as of a month ago. 

    Did you hear this directly from a Twins source?  I'd find it extremely hard to believe they weren't aware of him or whatever "on the Twins' radar" means.

     

    Remember, around draft time a favorite cliche' of NFL executives is you know they're lying when their lips are moving.  Not saying the Twins are lying, I'm saying I'd be shocked if they weren't well aware of Greene and all potential first round picks leading up to this draft quite some time ago.

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    Did you hear this directly from a Twins source?  I'd find it extremely hard to believe they weren't aware of him or whatever "on the Twins' radar" means.

     

    Remember, around draft time a favorite cliche' of NFL executives is you know they're lying when their lips are moving.  Not saying the Twins are lying, I'm saying I'd be shocked if they weren't well aware of Greene and all potential first round picks leading up to this draft quite some time ago.

     

    Obviously I haven't heard this directly form a Twins' source. That was my instant reaction reading KLaw's response that InfraRen posted. 

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