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    Seth Stohs

    Happy MLB Draft Day 1, Twins fans!

    Since it became clear that the Minnesota Twins had the #1 overall pick in the 2017 draft, which happened fairly early last September, the fandom has been very excited about who the Twins might be able to add at the top of the draft. That day has come.

    This purpose of this article is to be a place for several draft-related resources and links, and a place for fans to keep updated of rumors and rumblings throughout the day. We ask that if you see an article online or a tweet with a rumor or nugget, that you post it in the comments below.

    At 6:00 central time, the draft will officially start. Moments later, the Twins will make their much-anticipated draft selection. But that won’t be it for the night. The Twins also have the 35th and 37th overall picks as well. Twins Daily will post articles about those draft picks moments after they are made.

    Note also that we will have Day 2 and Day 3 articles. In those articles, we will post the Twins picks made those days. Those articles will be updated throughout those two days. Rounds 3 through 10 are on Tuesday, and Rounds 11 through 40 will take place on Wednesday.

    Image courtesy of University of Louisville Athletics (photos of Brendan McKay)

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    As you know, there will be a lot of rumors even throughout the day. It’s obviously a moving target. The reality is that there are likely a handful of people who know who the Twins will take at 1.1. At some point on Monday, they’ll have their decision.

    It will be based on a number of factors. First and foremost, it will be based on talent. The Twins will acquire a player with the first overall pick who has the potential and ability to be an all-star caliber player. That doesn’t always happen, of course, but the player will have the tools and such to become that.

    The Twins have likely seen each of the players in consideration for the top pick dozens upon dozens of times. The scouts, cross-checkers, and front office types are fully aware of what those players are as a player and as a person. They’ve had conversations with those players, their families, friends, teammates, coaches and others. For the college players, it’s likely they’ve been watching them for four to six years.

    The trick of course is looking at the player and all of the information on him and trying to project what that player will be in five to ten years. That is the part that isn’t a science, at least not yet.

    But science and technology has become more a part of the process. Many of the college programs have Trackman systems installed. Even some high schools are starting to get those. There is so much more information available.

    But the teams are also trying to figure out who can stay healthy. Drafting a pitcher comes with a bigger injury risk than drafting a hitter for obvious reasons.

    And, of course, dollars also come into play. It’s a strategy that has been used since the slotting system has been in the MLB draft. Most famously, the Astros were able to convince SS Carlos Correa to take millions less than the slot value for the #1 pick in 2012, and because of it, they were able to take RHP Lance McCullers and IF Rio Ruiz with their next two picks. As Jeremy has pointed out, the new draft slotting instituted this year makes it a bit more difficult to manipulate the draft, and since there are a handful of teams that have a second selection before the Twins, it could be difficult.

    THE NAMES

    At this stage, we pretty well know the names of the players the Twins are considering with the top pick.

    Louisville 1B/LHP Brendan McKay.

    Vanderbilt RHP Kyle Wright.

    Notre Dame HS (Sherman Oaks, CA) SS/RHP Hunter Greene.

    In my opinion, all three of these guys are "safe" picks, but for different reasons. McKay legitimately has two paths to big league success. He can be a top-of-rotation starting pitcher, or he could be a middle-of-the-lineup bat. Could he possibly be both? Kyle Wright, in my opinion, is the safest pick for starting pitchers because of his stuff and his size and his makeup and more. How is Hunter Greene a safe pick? Well, he's the guy that everyone seems to believe is the best prospect. If the Twins took him and he didn't make it, most in the industry would say that the Twins were still right in shooting for the moon with such an elite talent.

    The bold pick, in my opinion, would be taking MacKenzie Gore. Many believe he is the best prep pitcher, with a mid-90s fastball and good secondary pitches.

    Most believe that those three are the guys most in consideration for the Twins first pick. However, if guys like MacKenzie Gore or Royce Lewis are willing to accept less money, they could still fit into the equation. While those two have not been talked about as much as the three listed above, they are both very talented. They are also both Scott Boras guys. Normally that might mean they’re guys to stay away from. However, Boras wants to maximize what his clients can get, so if they can make a little more than what they believe they will get by falling in the draft, maybe something could be worked out.

    MOST RECENT PERFORMANCES

    With both Louisville and Vanderbilt playing in Super Regionals, they pitched on Saturday. Here are their final lines:

    Brendan McKay (vs Kentucky): 6 IP, 8 hits, 2 earned runs, 0 walks, 9 strikeouts. Fastball was 89-94, with impressive curveball, slider, and cutter too.

    Kyle Wright (vs Oregon State): 6.2 IP, 8 hits, 7 earned runs, 3 walks, 8 strikeouts. Fastball was 90-95, with an impressive curveball and changeup. He mixes those pitches well also.

    Hunter Greene hasn’t played lately (and hasn't pitched for a month or more), but he did come to Target Field on Friday for a workout. As you would expect, he was quite impressive. He is clearly the guy who would show up highest on prospect rankings because of the fastball and his athleticism and makeup.

    https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/873296225642176513

    While the Twins had people at all of those performances, it’s important to remember that each performance is just one data point on a chart that likely has 100s of dots on it. In other words, just because Wright’s line looked bad (and was bad), it isn’t likely to sway the Twins brass either way.

    TWINS DAILY DRAFT CONTENT

    Draft Profiles: MacKenzie Gore, Hunter Greene, Royce Lewis, Brendan McKay, Pavin Smith, Kyle Wright, and potential Minnesotans in the Draft.

    Jeremy provided a Draft Preview in which he discussed the slot values of each pick and overall. He wrote about the possibility of the Twins taking advantage of the slotting system to acquire more high-end talent.

    Seth caught up with ESPN’s Keith Law about the names at the top of the first round. Cody wondered if not drafting Hunter Greene could come back to haunt them. Nick wrote why Kyle Wright might be The Wright Fit for the Twins, considering his timeline.

    TWINS DAILY PREDICTIONS

    Here are some quick thoughts from Twins Daily writers:

    Seth Stohs:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings (as prospects): 1.) Hunter Greene, 2.) Kyle Wright, 3.) MacKenzie Gore, 4.) Royce Lewis, 5.) Brendan McKay

    Who Would You Take? Probably Kyle Wright.

    Who Do You Think The Twins Will Take? Brendan McKay

    I'd love to see the Twins get creative and find a way to save seven figures on their #1 pick. Hunter Greene is the most intriguing. Kyle Wright is probably the safest pitcher to pick. I'd be very curious to see if Derek Falvey would truly let McKay hit and pitch on his way up the ladder to really possibly be a big league two-way player. If he can do that, I'm all on board. I also really, really like Gore and Lewis and if the Twins can convince Boras to cut back a couple million from slot, I'd have no problem with them either.

    Nick Nelson:

    What is the definition of a "safe pick"? On the one hand, you could easily apply that description to someone like Kyle Wright or Brendan McKay – collegiate superstars and prototypical top-of-draft talents. On the other hand, isn't Hunter Greene the safest pick when you really think about it? He ranks first on almost every analyst's board. He's a media sensation and will generate tremendous buzz for the franchise. If he fizzles out, the Twins aren't going to look silly; they made the choice most people in the industry viewed as obvious. But that will be of little consolation if his development stalls exactly as they foresaw in their evaluations.

    I guess at the end of the day, there really is no safe pick.

    My Top Five:

    1. Hunter Greene

    2. Kyle Wright

    3. MacKenzie Gore

    4. Brendan McKay

    5. Royce Lewis

    Cody Christie:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings: 1.) Hunter Greene, 2.) Royce Lewis, 3.) Kyle Wright, 4.) MacKenzie Gore, 5.) Brendan McKay

    Who Would You Take? Hunter Greene

    Who Do You Think The Twins Will Take? Kyle Wright

    I’ve always put a higher value on younger players with a ton of potential. That was one of the reasons I had Miguel Sano number one on my prospect list while he was still playing in the rookie leagues. Greene has impressed me every step of the way. The more I hear about him, the more I want him to be part of the Twins organization. Lewis is also a raw talent that the Twins could develop over the next decade. He could be a mainstay in their line-up for years to come. Wright is the safest and I think that’s the direction the club will go.

    Tom Froemming:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings (as prospects): 1) Hunter Greene, 2) MacKenzie Gore, 3) Kyle Wright, 4) Brendan McKay, 5) Royce Lewis

    Who Would You Take? Greene

    Who Do You Think Will The Twins Take? Greene

    Have you seen a single big board that didn’t have Hunter Greene on top? I’ve heard all the rumors saying the Twins are going another direction, but I’m not buying it. Greene is the best athlete and has the highest ceiling. Sure, that comes with a scary floor/bust potential, but the opportunity to acquire a talent like this isn’t going to come around every year. On the other hand, I look at those top five names and don’t see a single bad pick. I’ll understand if the Twins pass on Greene, especially if that means they net more talent with the 35th and 37th picks.

    NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE

    Here are some of the most recent draft player rankings and some mock drafts.

    DOLLARS AND SENSE

    Here the slot values for the Twins picks in the top ten rounds.

    1st overall (Round 1): $7,770,700

    35th overall (Comp Round A): $1,935,300

    37th overall (Round 2): $1,846,100

    76th overall (Round 3): $755,500

    106th overall (Round 4): $507,000

    136th overall (Round 5): $378,700

    166th overall (Round 6): $283,300

    196th overall (Round 7): $220,700

    226th overall (Round 8): $174,400

    256th overall (Round 9): $148,000

    286th overall (Round 10): $137,100

    ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE

    Until the Twins officially make their announcement, it’s hard to know with complete certainty what the Twins will do. Consider six weeks ago, everyone assumed that Hunter Greene was the easy choice at #1. Starting about a month ago, people believed that Kyle Wright was the top choice. Then suddenly on Friday, about 12 hours after writing that Wright would go #1, mlb.com’s Jim Callis posted a new mock draft in which he said the Twins were planning to take McKay with the top pick.

    That’s why this Day 1 thread is here. We want the comments to be filled with everything that’s out there as things are subject to change even throughout the day.

    Again, moments after the Twins make their first pick, we’ll have an article, and we can discuss the player that the Twins take (and presumably many will write about the players the Twins did not take) with the first overall pick.

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    This is the type of drafting a front office can get away with when they have a proven track record for success, it's a lot harder to be optimistic when the front office is new. Reaching for all 3 first day picks with no clear plan to use the saved money is not promising.

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    Stewart and Jay weren't drafted ahead of their consensus rankings.

     

    You can't have it both ways. The Twins have had a lot of failures on "consensus" picks.

     

    And until the draft is over, it's obviously impossible to answer that question. If they leave a bunch of money unspent, I will be very displeased, and so I think will everyone on here. But it hasn't happened.

    I don't think anyone seriously thinks they are not going to spend their slot pool. The comments suggesting they won't are pretty clear snark. The question is, will any of the players that they spend that savings on make a significant impact?

    The later in the draft they wait, the less likely it becomes that those guys make it.

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    This is the type of drafting a front office can get away with when they have a proven track record for success, it's a lot harder to be optimistic when the front office is new. Reaching for all 3 first day picks with no clear plan to use the saved money is not promising.

     

    How do you know they don't have a plan?

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    The Twins drafts in those years basically aligned with third-party rankings.

    I do like that the Twins seem to have their own list. However when every pick offers the promise of saving signing money, it's a little suspicious. That screams Pohlad.
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    Maybe the plan is to go over slot deeper in the draft to help restock the farm system? So far, it certainly seems like an odd strategy...

     

    I am going to give the new front office the benefit of the doubt because I want the Twins to be better, but I am at a bit of a loss on tonight

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    Stewart and Jay weren't drafted ahead of their consensus rankings.

     

    You can't have it both ways. The Twins have had a lot of failures on "consensus" picks. 

     

    And until the draft is over, it's obviously impossible to answer that question. If they leave a bunch of money unspent, I will be very displeased, and so I think will everyone on here. But it hasn't happened.

    Using money to over draft fifth round quality picks does nothing. You think there are legit first round talents out there? Seems unlikely at this point.

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    The MLB board isn't the be all end all. After the first 20-25 picks it becomes a pretty rough prospect guide.

     

    Have you been watching all these players taken today, and seen how many of them were previously drafted? There is a ton of talent that goes unsigned every year. If the Twins sign everyone they draft that is a huge win. High schoolers in the mid-late rounds can be very touch to sign so having the spending power will be big.

     

    I like Carlson too but taking him would be putting first round eggs in one pitching basket which is a huge risk. Instead, with the savings they can spread the risk around a dozen or more arms if they want to. High beta guys. There's going to be plenty of ceiling there too. But there's no ceiling if they don't sign.

    Fair enough.

    I'd rather put all my eggs in a basket like Greene or Carlson rather than a bunch of long shots.

    The stock market can be risky too, but I'd still rather chance all my money on that rather than spread it out with a bunch of power ball tickets.

     

    Like I said though, the great thing is that we'll eventually get to see the results.

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    This is the type of drafting a front office can get away with when they have a proven track record for success, it's a lot harder to be optimistic when the front office is new. Reaching for all 3 first day picks with no clear plan to use the saved money is not promising.

    No offense... but a post that should be revisited in a few years. 3 studs, affordable. How it should be done

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    How do you know they don't have a plan?

     

    Based on recent draft history the two options for the 1st pick have been to take the best player or to take a lower ranked player and use the money to grab a player who fell with the team's next pick. Since the Twins did neither of these I'm unsure what the plan would be. I guess they could have a plan, it's just not something that has been done before.

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    Based on recent draft history the two options for the 1st pick have been to take the best player or to take a lower ranked player and use the money to grab a player who fell with the team's next pick. Since the Twins did neither of these I'm unsure what the plan would be. I guess they could have a plan, it's just not something that has been done before.

    LaVelle said "boom," so I trust there will be a boom. It just appears to not be coming from the Wonder Twins.

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    Using money to over draft fifth round quality picks does nothing. You think there are legit first round talents out there? Seems unlikely at this point.

     

    There are plenty of prep arms that are well above "fifth round quality" left. Enlow, Burns, Heatherly,  Scherff, etc. Not mid 1st round guys, clearly, but not filler.

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    I would hope he'd be way under slot given his predraft ranking.
    Splitting the difference between where he went and where he was ranked puts him at about #69. What is the the slot for that pick?

    858K for #69 slot.  1.8M for #37 slot.  656K for #85 slot.  He's a 17 year old HS so he has some leverage but maybe 1.4M ish, just guessing.

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    There are plenty of prep arms that are well above "fifth round quality" left. Enlow, Burns, Heatherly, Scherff, etc. Not mid 1st round guys, clearly, but not filler.

    Then they should have taken one. Otherwise someone else will. We are totally in the random phase now.

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    Then they should have taken one. Otherwise someone else will. We are totally in the random phase now.

     

    Those are top 50 caliber prospects; where they are drafted is irrelevant. To say Enlow is an equal prospect to every other remaining player is clearly false.

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    I'm really enjoying people defending these two picks, like it was the plan all along.

     

    Why are there always a few who refuse to admit something went wrong along the way? Virtue signaling? The hope for a spot in the Pohlad's doomsday shelter?

     

    They explicitly said they took Lewis for "something big," at 35/37. Clearly, they didn't draft Lewis to sign these guys for over slot. They're trying to get cute, because they're so analytically brilliant, but life off of paper is catching up.

     

    No bullpen help coming into the season: Strike 1. The first three rounds of this draft: Strike 2.

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    858K for #69 slot. 1.8M for #37 slot. 656K for #85 slot. He's a 17 year old HS so he has some leverage but maybe 1.4M ish, just guessing.

    Well I guess I'll just have to trust that the Twins saw something in him that almost nobody else did.

    The thing is, if you overreach and overpay banking on seeing something nobody else does... you better be right. I'll be keeping an eye on this kid for sure.

    I wish him the best of luck.

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    I actually liked the Lewis pick but that was the assumption that they got another top end talent. Rooker okay, some more savings, but Carlson still on the board. Landon Leach? Yikes. Only plus side that I like is that he hasn't pitched a long time so there's upside like berrios but not sure how you pass on Carlson there.

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    Those are top 50 caliber prospects; where they are drafted is irrelevant. To say Enlow is an equal prospect to every other remaining player is clearly false.

    If that is their plan, they just lost out on Carlson. Based on their actions, I am thinking it isn't their plan. Since, as we know, they went underslot on three picks. Not one.

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    I'm really enjoying people defending these two picks, like it was the plan all along.

     

    Why are there always a few who refuse to admit something went wrong along the way? Virtue signaling? The hope for a spot in the Pohlad's doomsday shelter?

     

    They explicitly said they took Lewis for "something big," at 35/37. Clearly, they didn't draft Lewis to sign these guys for over slot. They're trying to get cute, because they're so analytically brilliant, but life off of paper is catching up.

     

    No bullpen help coming into the season: Strike 1. The first three rounds of this draft: Strike 2.

    So to be clear in the future... your 2-3 top picks - based on who were available - were??

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    If that is their plan, they just lost out on Carlson. Based on their actions, I am thinking it isn't their plan. Since, as we know, they went underslot on three picks. Not one.

     

    Well a bunch of teams passed on Carlson, but then Seattle took him pretty late despite not appearing to have much extra draft pool money. So it seems like there's more to the story there.

     

    I'm not sure it's even possible to spread out the Twins' extra money in the way you are suggesting they might . . . it would definitely be unprecedented in draft history. I don't think it's a real possibility.

     

    It's pretty much a certainty that the savings will be allocated to a small number of players, or even 1 player.

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    I'm looking for theories here. I have no idea what happened. My current theorems:

     

    1. These latter two picks make sense IF they didn't get any kind of discount from Boras and Lewis. That is certainly possible.

     

    2. Their choice got sniped sometime before 35. Either the agent they were working with didn't get the word out or a team saved money someplace else.

     

    3. They couldn't come to agreement with Carlson (who seemed to be the obvious pick).

     

    Anything I'm missing?

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    I actually liked the Lewis pick but that was the assumption that they got another top end talent. Rooker okay, some Moreno savings, but Carlson still on the board. Landon Leach? Yikes. Only plus side that I like is that he hasn't pitched a long time so there's upside like berrios but not sure how you pass on Carlson there.

    Basically the same range of emotions here. I was cool with Lewis 1-1 and assumed they either saw McKay/Greene/Lewis as equals talent wise, or they viewed Lewis as the best overall. The Rooker pick might have been a small reach but still an exciting pick and apparently they saved more cash. The Leach pick was when I started wondering WTF was going on. That one was disappointing to say the least....

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    Listen, I'm not super crazy about the last 2 picks either but Rooker was a guy we all talked about and he looks like a good one, his numbers were much better than McKay's as a 1B. And the Leach pick took me off guard but he definitely has potential, this is not like the Bashore pick where he looked doomed from the start. There also has to be more to the Carlson story and maybe he did tell teams he wouldn't sign but Seattle decided to take the risk, there is still a chance he won't sign. In 2012 I really wanted the Twins to draft Mitch Brown and we passed on him three times (or was it four?) and he hasn't really done much, maybe Carlson really wasn't as good as we all thought, who knows

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    I'm looking for theories here. I have no idea what happened. My current theorems:

     

    1. These latter two picks make sense IF they didn't get any kind of discount from Boras and Lewis. That is certainly possible.

     

    2. Their choice got sniped sometime before 35. Either the agent they were working with didn't get the word out or a team saved money someplace else.

     

    3. They couldn't come to agreement with Carlson (who seemed to be the obvious pick).

     

    Anything I'm missing?

    To me #1 is inexcusable. They had the 1st pick, they should know exactly what the bonus is going to be before the pick is made. If Boras won't play, if he says the only way to know what we'll sign for is to pick us and find out - then you pass, unless you have him head and shoulders above everyone else on your board.

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