Twins Considered Favorites To Sign Lance Lynn

It would appear......absolutely no one? Maybe it's the Russians.

I would think by now both the agents and the FO types know this is an odd year, or the beginning of a sea change. Either way, the agents have to know the FO's are bargain shopping, and the FO have to know the agents will listen to what used to be low ball offers. It's too late in the spring for your feelings to be hurt. If you put a couch on CL for $300, and 2 months later it's still sitting in your living room, you may just edit your ad to include, OBO!

I'm reaching my tolerance limit for all these four-letter words. Lynn ... Cobb ... I just hope some team signs one or both of those players this week, just so I can stop reading about the likelihood of their signing or not.

My initial reaction was also that 2/20 was a total lowball offer, borderline insulting. But the market this year is unique. Like spycake said, Moustakas signed for 1/6.5. At the beginning of the offseason, no one would have ever guessed he'd sign that low!

We don't know what other offers Lynn has on the table. Maybe he's only getting offers in the range of this one. If he is, I'm sure he's upset about it, but he wouldn't have any worse feelings towards the Twins in particular. The market is what it is.

Yesterday, Heyman suggested the Lynn 2/20 offer was "outdated" (did it precede the trade for Ordizzi or the singing of Morrison?), so it may not represent the current state of the negotiations, nor the Twins willingness to add another starter.

The Twins offered Lance Lynn $20 million over two years, reported Mike Berardino of the St. Paul Pioneer Press, but that offer may have come awhile back. It was described as “outdated” by one person in the know. It doesn’t hurt to try, but does seem a bit low, considering there were decent but not great middle relievers getting nearly that much.

Based on the fact that the turned the worst team in the Twins' history in Minnesota into the postseason, just in one season, I'd say that the front office knows more about what they are doing than it's doubters.

Making the postseason and being offensive are not the same thing. Plenty of CEOs have scorched earth policies and the companies are profitable. However, the Twins are in this for the long term. Reputation matters. The Twins won't have the luxury of taking the money and running when things start to catch up with them.

Yesterday, Heyman suggested the Lynn 2/20 offer was "outdated" (did it precede the trade for Ordizzi or the singing of Morrison?), so it may not represent the current state of the negotiations, nor the Twins willingness to add another starter.

If they offered 2/20 weeks or months ago I would say it's even more insulting.

I don't understand why others here are being so dismissive and dare i say dishonest about Lynn's repertoire.  He would easily be the Twins 2nd or 3rd starter with Santana out.  Does he throw a lot of fastballs (sinker, cutter, etc)? Yes, but he also throws curves and change ups to keep hitters off balance.  He's not a "fastball only" pitcher as some have stated here.  That's total BS.  He also has good velocity (low 90's and touches 96).  I'd take him on a two year deal no question.  He's certainly better more dependable and consistent than Gibson.

Lance Lynn Pitch Type per Fangraphs:

2017 - FB - 81% SL - 11% CB - 4.7% CH - 2.6%
2015 - FB - 85.4% SL - 8% CB - 4.8% CH - 1.9%
2014 - FB -  79% SL - 10.2% CB - 8.4% CH - 2.4%

2013 - FB - 73.2% SL - 12.7% CB - 10.1% CH - 4%

 

There's no dishonesty. He's a predominantly fastball pitcher. 

People are saying he's 100% a fastball only pitcher.  DISHONEST

And that's not even showing how poorly rated his very rarely used offspeed stuff is:

 

2017 - FB 15.4 SL 4.9   CB -2.4 CH -4.4

 

And Fangraphs calling his breaking pitch a slider is generous, Brooksbaseball thinks it's simply a cutter:

 

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/outcome.php?player=458681&b_hand=-1&gFilt=&pFilt=FA|SI|FC|CU|SL|CS|KN|CH|FS|SB&time=month&minmax=ci&var=pcount&s_type=2&startDate=03/30/2007&endDate=03/09/2018

A slider and a cutter don't even break the same way.  

And, to touch on nicksavikings' main talking point, his sinker percentage has risen exponentially over the last couple of years per Fangraphs:

Sinker percentage:

2012: 21%
2013: 20.5%
2014: 25.8%
2015: 27.5%
2017: 42.2%

 

Just say no to Lance Lynn. 

Fine your opinion.  I say yes.

My position has long been that Lynn is unlikely to continue to be a league average pitcher.

Smoke and mirrors for 4-5 years? That is one good act or there are flaws in metrics

Danny Neagle and Bert Blyleven.  And a guy named Morneau (and a guy who brought Liriano and Nathan).  I would not trade any for Lynn

 

Also, their is the assumption that this front office will draft like the previous front office, which is false...

 

Also, their is the assumption that their 3rd best pick will be their 3rd round pick, which is also false since they are having supplemental  competitive balance pick before that at 75th overall.  So it very well be that pick and not their 3rd round pick. 

 

Lots of good players better than Lynn were taken after the 75th pick overall

Bert was  in the early 50s as an overall pick as there were less teams then. Even then, 4 picks out of 50 years. That would leave 44 other quality players that you would trade for Lynn, and the other team wouldn't take