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  • Twins Add Seven To Their 40 Man Roster, Lose Achter, Pinto


    Seth Stohs

    Teams needed to add eligible players to their 40-man rosters before Friday's deadline in order to protect them from December's Rule 5 draft. The Twins announced today that they have added seven players from their system to their 40-man roster. They are LH SP Taylor Rogers, RH RP JT Chargois, OF Adam Brett Walker, LH SP Randy Rosario, RHP Yorman Landa, LH SP Pat Dean, LH RP Mason Melotakis.

    Also, AJ Achter was claimed by the Philadelphia Phillies, and Josmil Pinto claimed by the San Diego Padres.

    The Twins roster currently stands at 38 players. Remember the Twins have until December 8th to sign Korean Byung-Ho Park at which time he'll be added to the 40-man roster. They will be able to make a pick in the Rule 5 draft at baseball's Winter Meetings on December 10th, pending further transactions in the meantime.

    Image courtesy of Craig Gordon (photo of AB Walker), Seth Stohs (photos of JT Chargois, Taylor Rogers)

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    Rogers, Chargois and Walker have been deemed the "easy" choices by various accounts. There were a few surprises.

    Taylor Rogers was the Twins 11th round pick in 2012 out of the University of Kentucky where he teamed with fellow 40-man roster mates Alex Meyer and Logan Darnell. Rogers was the Twins Daily Minor League Starting Pitcher of the Year in 2013 when he made three starts in Cedar Rapids and the rest of the season in Ft. Myers with the Miracle. He pitched in New Britain in 2014. This year in Rochester, he went 11-12 with an ERA of 3.98 in 175 innings in Rochester. He has a 1.59 ERA in Arizona this fall in 25 innings. He has dominated left-handers and could find himself in a relief role as soon as 2016.

    JT Chargois was the Twins second-round pick in 2012 out of Rice University where he was co-closer with Tyler Duffey (drafted in the fifth round of 2012). Chargois missed the 2013 and 2014 season due to Tommy John surgery but returned in 2015, flashing an upper-90s fastball. He split his season between Ft. Myers and Chattanooga. He should surface with the Twins in 2016.

    Adam Brett Walker was the Twins third-round pick in 2012 out of Jacksonville University. He has as much power as anyone in the Twins organization, including Miguel Sano. He has led his league in home runs all three full seasons he has played. He posted an .807 OPS with 31 homers and 106 RBI for the Southern League champion Chattanooga Lookouts in 2016. He also led minor league baseball in strikeouts with 195. He was hitting well in the Arizona Fall League where he has five home runs. However, in his final four AFL games, he went 0-15 with 11 strikeouts. He has a ton of power but will need to continue working on that plate discipline and contact rate. He will likely play for Rochester in 2016 with a shot at a September call up.

    Aside from those three, the Twins also added...

    Randy Rosario is an interesting add. The left-hander missed most of the 2014 season after having Tommy John surgery in mid-April. He returned in early July to the Cedar Rapids Kernels. In his 11 games (10 starts) with the Kernels, he went 2-6 but posted a 3.52 ERA and a 1.38 WHIP. He had some good starts, and as would be expected coming back from surgery, he had some clunkers. But there is no doubt Rosario is very talented. He is high-energy and very athletic. He throws hard (up to 96-97 mph) and is working on his offspeed pitches. But he can be nasty. Obviously Rosario isn't a guy that we'll see pitching at Target Field in 2016, but he does have a chance to be effective (either as a starter or in the bullpen) in a couple of years.

    RHP Yorman Landa suffered from shoulder problems in 2014 and 2015, but he is another kid who approaches triple digits with his fastball. He is only a reliever, but he can miss bats. Another guy who won't be ready for the big leagues in 2016, but his potential is very high.

    LHP Pat Dean had a breakout year in 2015 in Rochester. He led minor league baseball in innings pitched. He greatly improved his two breaking pitches in 2015 making him better against lefties. Dean is 26 years old and will likely pitch most of 2016 in Rochester.

    Finally, LHP Mason Melotakis was added. He had Tommy John surgery late in 2014 and missed the 2015 season. However, he throws in the upper 90s out of the bullpen. He will be brought back slowly in 2016 but could surface by the end of the year.

    Achter has been tremendous in the minor leagues and has had some good moments the last two years with the Twins. He joins a Phillies roster, likely as a relif pitcher.

    Pinto's concussion concerns in 2015 made him a DFA candidate. Also, his inability behind the plate didn't help. Going to the National League, he will have to catch, or be confined to pinch-hitting duties.

    Today's moves mean that several prospects will be eligible for the December 10th Rule 5 Draft. They include Corey Williams, Zack Jones, Luke Bard, Levi Michael, Felix Jorge and others.

    Feel free to share your thoughts.

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    I'm a bit sad to see Achter and Pinto go, but I guess it had to happen. I hope they'll find success with their new homes.

     

    I think Rosario and Landa are a bit odd picks. But hey, I'm no GM.

     

    I kinda like the Pat Dean add, but I would have liked to see him get a spot start or two during that "let's have Trevor May throw a 3 inning start" fiasco.

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    It is so much more difficult to stash a position player on a major league roster than a pitcher. I doubt Michael is far enough to stick on a MLB roster for an entire year. He likely gets taken but the Twins have a great shot at getting him back if they want to. If Michael does perform I think you tip your cap because he beat the odds.

     

    This is a point that is often overlooked. Very easy to hide a pitcher, very tough to hide a position player with 4 player benches.

     

    And usually everyday guys that are kept bring at least one plus tool to the table (usually speed or d), not sure Michael really has this. Fine guy for org depth and may ultimately get some run as a utility guy, but a team would really have to punt that position to keep him all year.

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    It is so much more difficult to stash a position player on a major league roster than a pitcher. I doubt Michael is far enough to stick on a MLB roster for an entire year. He likely gets taken but the Twins have a great shot at getting him back if they want to. If Michael does perform I think you tip your cap because he beat the odds.

     

    He's far enough... the question with him may be, if he's a utility infielder, can he play SS or 3B? He did in college, but as a pro, he's been mainly at 2B. 

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    I hope nobody picks Jorge. 

     

    What are the rules for the AAA and AA rule 5?

     

    someone can find the specifics online somewhere, but basically players that are eligible for the MLB Rule 5 this year had to be protected on the AAA roster last year, and on the AA roster the year before. I think those rosters are 38. The main difference is that players selected in the minor league Rule 5 draft don't have to be offered back, and they don't have to play at any certain level. Guys like Goodrum, Wimmers, Harrison, Bard, etc. will almost certainly be on the AAA roster/reserve.

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    Can the Twins add one (or two?) more names to the roster later tonight?

     

    My vote would be Luke Bard, Felix Jorge or Zach Jones.

     

    I am very pleased that Mason Melotakis was protected.

     

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    Estimates:
    Non-40: High-A: $1500/mth AA: 1700/mth -
    1st year on 40: $7000/month. 2nd year on 40: $14000/mth

    Put in yearly terms (as reported last winter):

     

    $41,400 for players on their first major league contract (first-time 40-man additions, the guys added today)

     

    $82,700 for players on subsequent deals (today's additions if they stick on the 40-man roster into 2017)

     

    http://www.truebluela.com/2014/11/20/7178067/mlb-minimum-salary-2015

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    Can the Twins add one (or two?) more names to the roster later tonight?

    In theory, yes, although I suspect they were just trying to sneak Achter or Pinto through in advance of signing Park or making their own Rule 5 pick.

     

    Despite the two open spots, they're not protecting more guys today.

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    I think the only player left I am worried about is Zach Jones.  I am pretty certain he will get picked in the rule 5.  There were just too many guys to protect so they had to lose some guys I guess.

     

    Achter is a bummer loss as i really like him but his upside seems lower than other relievers we have in the system.  So losing him is probably best for everybody concerned.  Same for Pinto if he isn't going to catch.

     

    Michael is nice but there are four guys ahead of him and three guys with greater potential behind him.  He is lost in this system as well.  I hope someone picks him up but I doubt anyone will.

     

     

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    This is a point that is often overlooked. Very easy to hide a pitcher, very tough to hide a position player with 4 player benches.

     

    And usually everyday guys that are kept bring at least one plus tool to the table (usually speed or d), not sure Michael really has this. Fine guy for org depth and may ultimately get some run as a utility guy, but a team would really have to punt that position to keep him all year.

    Michael is usually good for an injury or two, so that means some DL time.

     

    5 position players stuck last year from Rule 5, versus only 4 pitchers (pending Winkler seeing 60 active days in 2016).

     

    Of course, they were generally better than Michael.  Taylor Featherston was pretty bad for the Angels, that would probably be Michael in 2016 if he was selected.

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    Losing Pinto is a  mistake. I will never understand how this team views catching defense, yes, Pinto wasn't great, but Suzuki last year was atrocious and can't throw anyone out to save his life.

    I like Pinto a lot too, but is he still a catcher? Hasn't done so in a while after the all the head injuries. If the Twins think of him as more a DH, isn't he already blocked 3 times over? 

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    Losing Pinto is a  mistake. I will never understand how this team views catching defense, yes, Pinto wasn't great, but Suzuki last year was atrocious and can't throw anyone out to save his life.

    The doctors can stop Pinto from catching.

    Not so with Suzuki, Murphy, Garver, Turner and Naveretto (yet)

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    I like Pinto a lot too, but is he still a catcher? Hasn't done so in a while after the all the head injuries. If the Twins think of him as more a DH, isn't he already blocked 3 times over? 

    The fact that San Diego picked him up makes me think they view him as a catcher, though I suppose they could try him at 1B or something? Who knows.

     

    If its true that he won't/can't catch again, I don't mind it then.

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    Michael is usually good for an injury or two, so that means some DL time.

     

    5 position players stuck last year from Rule 5, versus only 4 pitchers (pending Winkler seeing 60 active days in 2016).

     

    Of course, they were generally better than Michael.  Taylor Featherston was pretty bad for the Angels, that would probably be Michael in 2016 if he was selected.

     

    Total numbers of pitchers vs. position players probably prove the point though. Teams are much more aggressive protecting pitchers which would limit the pool.

     

    But yes, if a team was motivated, they could make Michael work, but would have to be (imo) a team that has absolutely no desire to compete this year.

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    Total numbers of pitchers vs. position players probably prove the point though. Teams are much more aggressive protecting pitchers which would limit the pool.

     

    But yes, if a team was motivated, they could make Michael work, but would have to be (imo) a team that has absolutely no desire to compete this year.

    Michael would basically be a util INF/25th man on the bench, a competitive team would be able to stash him as he would only be playing once a week or so anyways. Either way I don't mind losing him.

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    I wonder if the Twins might claim a guy with one of the open 40 man spots? Many other teams have been shedding players like Achter and Pinto, so perhaps TR is searching the waiver wire for any potential.

     

    If not, maybe we could still add Michael/Jones/Jorge tonight. I'm not convinced that the Twins will use that roster spot for a Rule 5 guy.

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    Interesting that an NL team claimed Pinto

    The Padres may have claimed Pinto for the sole purpose of trading him to an AL team that asked the Padres to claim him FOR THEM.

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    Had he been chosen, I believe Pat Dean might have been the oldest non-minor-league-free-agent Rule 5 pick ever selected, much less actually stuck.

    Pat Dean's K% vs LHB in AAA last year was 12.2%, lower than everybody on his team except Thielbar and Stauffer:

    http://minorleaguecentral.com/team?tid=5342015&split=201&amod=%3C%3D&age=99&hand=-1&time=0&type=pitcher&ymod=%3D&dyear=99&rmod=%3D&round=99&table=0

    This is a real head-scratcher any way you slice it.

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    The Padres may have claimed Pinto for the sole purpose of trading him to an AL team that asked the Padres to claim him FOR THEM.

    Probably not: "A club is not permitted to make a waiver claim and then trade the player to another club if the purpose of the claim was to prevent a third club from being awarded the waiver claim. (A waiver claim that is judged by the MLB Commissioner to have been made for this purpose will be revoked)."

     

    http://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3525

     

    They could have an eye to outrighting him to AAA later, though.

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    Had he been chosen, I believe Pat Dean might have been the oldest non-minor-league-free-agent Rule 5 pick ever selected, much less actually stuck.

    Pat Dean's K% vs LHB in AAA last year was 12.2%, lower than everybody on his team except Thielbar and Stauffer:

    http://minorleaguecentral.com/team?tid=5342015&split=201&amod=%3C%3D&age=99&hand=-1&time=0&type=pitcher&ymod=%3D&dyear=99&rmod=%3D&round=99&table=0

    This is a real head-scratcher any way you slice it.

    Dean has some value, but not in this org.

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    Probably not: "A club is not permitted to make a waiver claim and then trade the player to another club if the purpose of the claim was to prevent a third club from being awarded the waiver claim.

     

    http://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3525

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    What is the statute of limitations for that?

    Are you saying that that Padres can NEVER trade Pinto to the AL, or that they can't trade within a certain time period after the waiver claim?

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    Someone said T.R. could be searching the waiver wire ... but you have to add that guy to your own 40-man. At some point, the Phillies or San Diego may feel that their additions from the Twins to the 40-man aren't worth it, and both will also go thru waivers. Of course, they have the option of keeping them in the organization.

     

    I find the addition of Dean and the keeping of Darnell interesting. Yes, both are lefthanders, of which the Twins have few major league ready depth, but still...both? Achter put up good numbers in the minors, but so did a guy named Anthony Slama, as well as Eddie Morlan in the past.

     

    Be interesting to see who the Twins sign (beyond Paulino) as a minor league catching free agent.

     

    We can argue about the need to add Rosario and Melotakis and Landa. I would doubt that the Twins would lose all three in the Rule 5, if even one of them. Sure, a couple have the appearance of starting the season on the DL, but still.....

     

    It's too bad that players like Pinto and Achter join other names like Duensing and Boyer (and maybe Arcia) as having little or no trade value to the Twins, but enough of an interest that they may get picked up by another team (or do get picked up). But maybe the Twins can steal a prospect (or two) from some other minor elague system.

     

    Good for Tonkin making the cut, I guess. But I would've been more inclined to go without a guy who needs to be added to the major league roster than one that still has options and still has potential.

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    My disappointment regarding Pinto occurred two years ago, when it became clear that, after a decade of minor league ball, his catching skills were still below MLB standards in the eyes and minds of the pros who saw him in action every day and were able to competently assess every aspect of his performance. And unfortunately for Josmil, his battle with concussions probably puts the nail in the coffin on his future as anything other than a DH. It might be a long shot for him to become league average as a DH as well. 

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